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Old 07-10-2016, 02:41 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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Perhaps based on the past week, GB should resume control of the U.S.?
The difference is that the U.S. on balance has been a successful country.
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Old 07-10-2016, 02:49 PM
 
Location: Central IL
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Many third world countries have proven that they are incapable of governing themselves properly. Should we consider reintroducing foreign control over those territories given the following conditions:
Quite unfair to say they've proven themselves incapable. Perhaps we should look back and see how well these countries were doing before they were "colonized"? Simply being overpowered by a more developed country does not mean they were doing badly to begin with. And after centuries of external control they are now at quite a disadvantage having to set up their own governments. I'd say the colonists pretty much eff'd them over and now after a few decades are saying "we told you so that you couldn't rule yourselves". We'll "buy you back" for cheap and help you out.

Or are you referring to ANY country that "we" deem to be incapable? "We" need to mind our own business. What is it we're gaining by butting in? Cheap goods and cheap labor all under the guise of "helping" these poor countries make good?
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Old 07-10-2016, 02:59 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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Quite unfair to say they've proven themselves incapable....Or are you referring to ANY country that "we" deem to be incapable? "We" need to mind our own business. What is it we're gaining by butting in? Cheap goods and cheap labor all under the guise of "helping" these poor countries make good?
Isn't it obvious?
  1. Syria
  2. Sudan
  3. Nigeria
  4. Zaire
  5. Pakistan
  6. Venezuela
Need I go on?
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Perhaps we should look back and see how well these countries were doing before they were "colonized"? Simply being overpowered by a more developed country does not mean they were doing badly to begin with.
In general not very well. Some of the colonizations were, admittedly, to extract wealth. Others were to tamp down attacks on shipping.
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Old 07-10-2016, 03:13 PM
 
Location: Central IL
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The difference is that the U.S. on balance has been a successful country.
Who's to say? Some would say we have outrageous debt (some even citizens!)....and look at the imprisonment rate, crime rate, murder rate...tsk, tsk - something should be done...by whoever wants to step in.
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Old 07-10-2016, 03:17 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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Who's to say? Some would say we have outrageous debt (some even citizens!)....and look at the imprisonment rate, crime rate, murder rate...tsk, tsk - something should be done...by whoever wants to step in.
This gets me real angry. We are about the only society that has made an effort to integrate our minorities. How much unreported crime do you think there is in "immigrant" areas of:
  1. Cologne, Germany?
  2. Paris, France?
  3. Brussels, Belgium?
  4. Malmo, Sweden?
  5. Amsterdam, the Netherlands?
In other words, I think the low crime figures of these countries are apples and oranges comparisons.
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Old 07-11-2016, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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The difference is that the U.S. on balance has been a successful country.
I was being a bit facetious as a means to show that the OP framed a question that is really a point of perception. But I find it interesting that you framed your answer in the past tense.
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Old 07-11-2016, 12:02 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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I was being a bit facetious as a means to show that the OP framed a question that is really a point of perception. But I find it interesting that you framed your answer in the past tense.
I should have written "has been and remains."
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Old 07-11-2016, 12:09 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Given the way a lot of the recently "independent" world is tearing itself to pieces, a bit of colonialism may not be a bad idea.
Yeah, that'll work.


Wasn't it Georgie Bush treating Iraq (etc.) as his personal playground that caused some of that tearing sound you're hearing, in the first place?
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Old 07-11-2016, 01:16 PM
 
Location: New Albany, Indiana (Greater Louisville)
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I think colonization can be a good thing if the controlling power is of the same culture. Syria and Iraq would have been much better off to remain under Turkish control. The USA, Canada, and Australia did well under the UK because the populations were similar at that time. The big problem is when the colony has a vastly different culture, like Europe colonizing Africa.
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Old 07-11-2016, 11:55 PM
 
Location: Manhattan, NYC
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I think colonization can be a good thing if the controlling power is of the same culture. Syria and Iraq would have been much better off to remain under Turkish control. The USA, Canada, and Australia did well under the UK because the populations were similar at that time. The big problem is when the colony has a vastly different culture, like Europe colonizing Africa.
By definition it can never be a good thing. If you want to help another culture, just share what you have to share.
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