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Old 03-21-2017, 07:55 AM
 
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That's why I am trying to educate people here about the term gender, and the sexologist John Money and his experiments and viewpoints on children and sex.

There is a LOT of ignorance regarding his views and "research" and how he created the term gender as we use it today, based on his pedophiiliac experiments with children.
Kings and Queens were around long before John Money. The idea that gender sprung out of nowhere in the past 100 years is complete BS. Gender is ingrained in our DNA. We may have had a different word for it but that doesn't change the fact that it's always been there.

 
Old 03-21-2017, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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One thing is for certain, those whose plumbing doesn't match their claimed gender present a problem (or risk) when dealing with gender based expectations.

For example, only male citizens are obligated to train, fight, and die on command (militia duty). Does a transgender female (formerly male) get an exemption? Does a transgender male (formerly female) have to serve like all other males?
 
Old 03-21-2017, 09:33 AM
 
Location: annandale, va & slidell, la
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Uhh.......it's unnatural?
 
Old 03-21-2017, 09:34 AM
 
Location: annandale, va & slidell, la
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One thing is for certain, those whose plumbing doesn't match their claimed gender present a problem (or risk) when dealing with gender based expectations.

For example, only male citizens are obligated to train, fight, and die on command (militia duty). Does a transgender female (formerly male) get an exemption? Does a transgender male (formerly female) have to serve like all other males?
Great post. Can't wait for the convoluted responses!
 
Old 03-21-2017, 09:37 AM
 
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For example, only male citizens are obligated to train, fight, and die on command (militia duty). Does a transgender female (formerly male) get an exemption? Does a transgender male (formerly female) have to serve like all other males?
Why wouldn't they? If someone has committed to one gender or the other, then the standing expectations for the committed gender apply.


Looks like a dude, walks like a dude, claims to be a dude, then treat him like a dude.


It's only the ditherers who present a problem.
 
Old 03-21-2017, 09:37 AM
 
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Kings and Queens were around long before John Money. The idea that gender sprung out of nowhere in the past 100 years is complete BS. Gender is ingrained in our DNA. We may have had a different word for it but that doesn't change the fact that it's always been there.
Yup. Two-spirit, mahu, muxe, koekchuch, hijra, kocek, the cult of cybele, etc.

Trans people have existed all over forever.
 
Old 03-21-2017, 10:20 AM
 
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I'm not disgusted. I will admit that I don't quite understand it, but at the same time I can respect people's choice. I remember when Chaz Bono, (formerly Chastity) came out. I think she said she was a lesbian, then transitioned to being a male and has since dated women. So, is she a straight male?

I also recall an episode of "married to medicine" where the gyn had to examine a young lady who identifies as a young man prior to going through her transformation. During the discussion, you could see the emotional pain she was going through as she talks about it.

Then, there's Bruce Jenner, who after 3 marriages and multiple kids, now identifies as a woman but has not undergone the sex change and is still attracted to women. So is he a lesbian now? If he identifies as a female, what not get a complete sex change? Isn't the genitalia a part of your identity as man/woman?

Again, I certainly don't mind what people chose to do with their lives. I just don't understand GID. It's not as clear cut as someone who says they are gay or lesbian. Anyhow, I hope they are happy.
 
Old 03-21-2017, 10:34 AM
 
Location: La Jolla, CA
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I don't think it's disgust as much as it is a simple lack of understanding at something that most people don't understand. A cisgender person isn't going to understand because they can't walk a mile in a trans person's shoes. The best that they can do is try to pretend for a moment, what it would feel like to be in the wrong gender's body. This is very difficult or even impossible to do with any sort of realistic perspective.

Another contributing factor is that most trans-rights discussions and informational sources seem divisive, and even angry. It seems that all too often, cisgender people are blamed for being discourteous, using incorrect pronouns, and not being conscious enough of trans issues or pretty much anything relating to them. I can understand why a person with internal conflict would be angry and frustrated, but blaming the world at large for not catering to their conflict is simply not productive.
 
Old 03-21-2017, 11:43 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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No one gives a rat's arse if girls feel uncomfortable sharing a bathroom with someone of the opposite sex or a shower room.


They are told..........." deal with it. the rights of transgenders trumps "
Why do I have this idea that in many matters you will steadfastly deny that certain things -- such as health care -- are rights, but in this discussion "feelings" are rights.

I'm uncomfortable with the tone of your posts in this topic. Are you therefore infringing on my rights?
 
Old 03-21-2017, 11:55 AM
 
Location: New Market, MD
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Personally I don't know any transgender but I have no problem with them. They can use whatever bathroom they wish to use. I have two daughters and I am pretty sure they will have no bathroom-issue with them as well. IMO it's pretty silly to bring wife/daughter as soon as someone talks about transgender and bathroom. Males are more terrified by this thought (don't know why - do they follow wife/daughter everywhere just in case....) but I am sure they can handle this issue. I also find this idea ridiculous that a straight man will enter in women's bathroom pretending he's transgender just because....
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