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I think a lot of people view it as a sort of cheating on the test kind of thing, and excessive competitiveness--- which face it, it is. Coming to a place and peace with whatever gifts or curses given you at birth always translates better. The problem in this world today is that people equate doing those drastic things as a way to peace through perceived perfection. Most of the people I know who have had "alterations" are never satisfied, always miserable, competitive, and fad/trend chasers and followers. They seem and remain very uncomfortable with themselves no matter how much they pretend otherwise.
....or maybe there are a lot of people out there who are quietly satisfied with the work they've had done so you don't know about them?
I thought our liberal western societies were open to people improving their lives especially when they look objectively better.
Um pretty sure that's by definition subjective, unless you're talking about serious scarring or injuries like clara said.
Anyways, i don't care if people get the surgeries, but imo people don't always look "objectively better" afterwards. Like when they blow up their lips, I think it just looks funny and unnatural. The fads these days are dumb if you ask me, even if the general idea might be a beneficial one.
The "cat woman" thing may have been a goal in that one woman's case, but it is not an unusual phenomenon for women who have had repeated plastic surgery on their faces.
I think what people have an issue with is the lying about it.
I saw Cindy Crawford at the opening of one of her husbands bars. This was about 2005, she looked awful. Now she selling this crap that keeps her young. She had a great face lift and Lord only knows what else.
Go look at pictures of Christie Brinkley when she and her husband (Peter Cook?) were fighting in court over something. Maybe 10 years ago.
Now look at pics. Oh and by the way she too has a skin care line. Another great facelift.
To reiterate, if you take this kind of thinking to its logical conclusion, there's no end in sight:
No make-up
No fooling with your "natural" hair
Or nails
Or beard
Or circumcision, like someone else wisely pointed out.
Actually, it'd be no shaving, not no beard.
But, otherwise you're exactly right. People like tradition.
Cutting your hair - fine
Cutting your nails - fine
Cutting your foreskin - fine
Piercing your ears - fine
The thing is, we are treated differently based on how we look.
Take an example of an 18yr old black male (very African looking) kid who acts feminine vs an 18yr old white feminine guy (facial features look more girly) and who is feminine. Both have the desire to be in romantic/porn films that involve femme guys and in their personal life enter casual relationships. The former is going to have a much difficult time getting into roles that involve feminine guys compared to the latter guy.
Now if the black guy wants to get surgery to lighten skin and or feminize his facial features, why shouldn't he?
What in the world made you use THIS as an example?
And your posting history says you're a grown female (mom)?... albeit quite interested in sexuality.
Since you're not a gay man, that explains why you don't know your entire premise is wrong.
There's quite a market for "African" (I assume you mean Black) men in sex work and gay porn and yes, even feminine.
They are not running around "lightening skin" LOL. OR getting facial feminization surgery unless they're trans.
The thing is, we are treated differently based on how we look.
Take an example of an 18yr old black male (very African looking) kid who acts feminine vs an 18yr old white feminine guy (facial features look more girly) and who is feminine. Both have the desire to be in romantic/porn films that involve femme guys and in their personal life enter casual relationships. The former is going to have a much difficult time getting into roles that involve feminine guys compared to the latter guy.
Now if the black guy wants to get surgery to lighten skin and or feminize his facial features, why shouldn't he?
This thread has taken rather a bizarre turn. I'm not even going to comment.
I think a lot of people view it as a sort of cheating on the test kind of thing, and excessive competitiveness--- which face it, it is. Coming to a place and peace with whatever gifts or curses given you at birth always translates better. The problem in this world today is that people equate doing those drastic things as a way to peace through perceived perfection. Most of the people I know who have had "alterations" are never satisfied, always miserable, competitive, and fad/trend chasers and followers. They seem and remain very uncomfortable with themselves no matter how much they pretend otherwise.
I agree with the first part. People who are against it may view it as "cheating on the test". They think "well God gave me this face and I need to be happy with myself the way I am -" AND YOU SHOULD TOO!"
The part I have a probllem with is that people who say that are judging others for whom loooking good is much more important than it is for themselves. There appearence is integral to who they are.
It may have to do with their career path, as it is with celebrities, or it could be that they come from a family where appearence and "not letting one's self go" is a core value. They take pride in their appearances and how they look does effect how they feel.
People from alll walks of life are having plastic surgery or minor procedures such as botox and fillers are as common as teeth whitening and coloring one's hair rather than let it go grey.
Do you think there is anything wrong with that?
I can't invalidate your experience with people who have had p.s. being chronically unhappy, miserable and competitive. Those are the people who you know.
I also have met many, many people who have had cosmetic procedures who are NOT chron ic malcontents. You have probably met people who have had minor procedures and you don't even know it.
One I saw a tervision program about a woman who made herself look like a Barbie Doll. Do I think that is strange? Yes. To me, wanting to look like anyone other than one's self is odd.
But it is HER LIFE and HER body. She can do with it what she wants.
With all of the problems in this world, it is hard for me to see cosmertic, elective surgery as one of them or ass a "world problem" in any way.
....or maybe there are a lot of people out there who are quietly satisfied with the work they've had done so you don't know about them?
THIS ^^^^!!!!
As to people who have grotesque results from plastic surgery, we hear about them and see them because they are RARE.
Most people do not "announce" plastic surgery (elective cosmetic surgey) to the world. One of the reasons just might be found in some of the judgmental atitudes expressed in this thred.
Incidentally, elective cosmetic surgery is not just a NYC - LA - Dallas - South FL thing. It's every where.
I live in Ohio now, and there are many people who are having minor procedures done. Local commercials run o television. I can count three cosmetic surgery centers in my small OH city.
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