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oh yes, self driving is coming, 5 yrs or sooner, and its going to be mandatory at some point, thats really the only way it can work flawlessly, having both selfdriving and manual drivers trying to use the same roads will not last long. Trucking companies will probably be the first to implement the technology, it will great for them, but bad for truck drivers naturally!
They will tell us self driving is safer and this is why it needs to be mandatory, but the upside to this, no more need for traffic lights, car insurance requirements will go away, other than basic coverage for things like hail damage, tree limbs, etc, there will be no need for comp or collision anymore, and no more police pulling people over for traffic offenses, this alone will save cities and states millions of dollars, not having to have cops out on the roads all the time.
Maybe some other country will have mandatory self driving cars, but not America.
There’s too many people who like driving and riding motorcycles. Americans don’t like to be told what to buy. They may be encouraged to buy something (EV’s, hybrids, etc) but in the end they still buy what they want.
Automated cars are going to have to learn to drive in a mixed environment of manually driven cars, pedestrians, bicycles, etc.
Maybe some other country will have mandatory self driving cars, but not America.
There’s too many people who like driving and riding motorcycles. Americans don’t like to be told what to buy. They may be encouraged to buy something (EV’s, hybrids, etc) but in the end they still buy what they want.
Automated cars are going to have to learn to drive in a mixed environment of manually driven cars, pedestrians, bicycles, etc.
Self driving cars can really only work best if ALL cars are self drive, people driving manually are too unpredictable for the system, eventually it WILL be mandatory and safety will be the reason they use.
People will still have lots of choices in cars,there will still be low end cars, mid range, luxury cars, exotics, trucks, etc. its just they will ALL be self drive, and being that they are all SD, the manufacturers will be able to load the cars down with all kinds of options, things they could not put in manual drive cars because the driver had to focus on driving first, now driving distractions will be obsolete.
If people are led to believe somethings being done for their safety, like a new law or regulation, they usually give in and comply right away.
Automation isn't exactly new. Recall the Luddites in 1815 who burned textile factories in England because they were putting skilled weavers out of work. The whole industrial revolution is all about automating things to lower production costs.
The problem we have in 2017 is that we have a failed public education system. Easily half of 20-somethings lack anything resembling 21st century job skills. They can't read at 12 grade level. They can't write a coherent and grammatically correct paragraph. Even basic arithmetic is beyond them let alone any kind of mathematical analysis skills. The penalty today for lacking those job skills is enormous. For the most part, the problem begins at home. Poor parenting has produced children with zero education ethic and minimal work ethic. You can't reform schools to impart that unless you take the children away from their parents for most of their waking day. I somehow doubt we're willing to fund 12 hour school days and 48 week school years to make up for poor parenting.
So we have a huge supply glut of unskilled workers who don't have much work ethic. Immigrants have no access to the safety net so they at least have the work ethic. If they also have some education ethic, their children will prosper. Look at the Vietnam refugees. China. India. Our top universities have to discriminate against those groups now or white people would get shut out. In 30 years, those people will be driving our economy.
This again? Automation seems to be something that will happen regardless. It's just wages, it's efficiency, plus companies will deal with legal situations such as worker's comp, workplace safety regulations, sick leave less.
When automation really kicks in, there will a large number of unemployable people. The higher skilled people (engineers, accountants, lawyers, doctors) will be be OK, but the lower educated will be in trouble. The wealth gap will continue to expand.
Automation is production. You'll have to keep people employed to consume. And no a UBI is NOT going to provide enough money for people to consume product.
I really think automation is going to stop at self-driving vehicles. There is no way people will give up driving, or think an autonomous car will work properly. Some of this is to freak people out. Ain't gonna happen.
lol its already happening. Eventually most things will be automated. I hope so too!
Self driving cars can really only work best if ALL cars are self drive, people driving manually are too unpredictable for the system, eventually it WILL be mandatory and safety will be the reason they use.
People will still have lots of choices in cars,there will still be low end cars, mid range, luxury cars, exotics, trucks, etc. its just they will ALL be self drive, and being that they are all SD, the manufacturers will be able to load the cars down with all kinds of options, things they could not put in manual drive cars because the driver had to focus on driving first, now driving distractions will be obsolete.
If people are led to believe somethings being done for their safety, like a new law or regulation, they usually give in and comply right away.
That’s just not practical. The obstacles to a self driving car are going to be pedestrians, bicycles, deer in the road, poor weather, etc. manually driven cars will be the least of its problems.
If you go for the all or nothing approach, you almost always end up with nothing.
Not necessarily. People will have opportunities to get training for something in demand. All those stable boys and horse breeders found something else to do when the auomobiles took over.
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When automation really kicks in, there will a large number of unemployable people. The higher skilled people (engineers, accountants, lawyers, doctors) will be be OK, but the lower educated will be in trouble. The wealth gap will continue to expand.
Over the past several weeks, there have been multiple threads about illegal immigrants taking jobs from Americans. But I find it odd how no one is talking about the increasing trend of automation and the increasing online marketplace is affecting the labor market.
It gets talked about all the time. However, it is widely misunderstood because most people don't know a thing about it. The usual script is "machine=bad" which, of course is totally ridiculous.
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There hasn't been much discussion of brick and mortar retail chains closing up shop, undergoing massive layoffs and bankruptcy.
We are talking about thousands of stores closing and thousands of people now out of work.
There hasn't been? It's talked about all the time. However, that's not really the fault of automation. It's the fault of retailers failing to adapt to modern methods.
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Currently congress is debating how to handle the deployment of autonomous vehicles. This could be a threat to thousands of delivery drivers. Certainly in the next decade they may be put out of work as well.
But I ask again why aren't people concerned about this?
Again, you're creating a false situation. People are concerned about it. Most of those concerned about it simply misunderstand the fact that technology has changed the way we do everything. It has been going on for decades. Automation has been a norm for well over 30 years.
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Anybody can make a robot do anything, it’s the responsibility you’re usually paying for.
Not really. First, "anybody" can't do it. It takes a solid level of technical expertise to make a robot do what it does in a process. Also, a modern robot most certainly cannot do "anything." While it is technically possible that a robot may be able to replace a human being in all situations, there are thousands of examples of where it would make little sense and also where it would be cost prohibitive to do so. I like the "tying shoes" example. The robotic dexterity required to do this menial task is both extraordinary and prohibitively expensive. It's also completely pointless.
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