Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Great Debates
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Closed Thread Start New Thread
 
Old 10-20-2017, 07:48 AM
 
Location: Cape Cod
24,490 posts, read 17,232,699 times
Reputation: 35783

Advertisements

I wouldn't call it so much of a movement but actually progress.

We have all sorts of groups that are coming out. How about women? 100 years ago they couldn't vote, decades after that for the most part they were still expected to be housewives and today women are still fighting for equality in many things.

People of all colours and sexual orientation just want to be heard and treated like anyone else.

I have gay friends and what difference does that make? I often wonder that when a guy lashes out and beats up on a gay guy if that bully is actually fighting off his own homosexual feelings?

I think our society is becoming more open, tolerant and acceptable of things that used to be taboo.

 
Old 10-20-2017, 07:51 AM
bg7
 
7,694 posts, read 10,561,490 times
Reputation: 15300
Quote:
Originally Posted by nickerman View Post
I don't believe that the gay movement happened spontaneously because of any natural tendencies or anything like that because back in the 1950s if a person was gay they hid it. If a guy was caught in a gay act it was real trouble for him. Guys would beat the crap out of him. I personally do not have anything against gays because I believe each to their own and no one should judge others. I have had a few gay acquaintances in the past and didn't think much of it. But before 1960 a person didn't hear much about gays. Then the social revolution of the late 60s brought gays to the forefront and they no longer had to hide it in fear. Gay bars used to be back alley places where it was dark so no one could identify anyone as they went in. Now gay bars are right out front for everyone to see. But there is no question that there is a powerful force behind the gay movement propelling it forward. Who is that force? I am curious to know.


The force is human rational enlightenment and human rights.


The same reason slavery was ok back in the day, even implicitly condoned in that not-very-moral book called the Bible. Slavery is looked upon as not very polite nowadays. Treatment of women as second class humans, the treatment of animals as simply products for humans do with what they want with - both passé now. You can't just treat a woman as chattel nowadays, or run your wagon horse until it drops down dead in the streets.


In short - society is moving bumpily along towards the best set of moral principles we, as humans, have come up with so far - which has been written down as the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. The confused half morality based on superstitions, magical speaking snakes, burning bushes, flawed homophobic, misogynistic, and essentially fascistic religious ideologies, and rule of the unreconstructed brute over the rule of intelligence was found lacking and imperfect.


Fortunately for those who wish to return to the good old days there are a few theocracies still existing where one can go and live like medieval times (no bacon though).
 
Old 10-20-2017, 08:01 AM
 
Location: Here
2,301 posts, read 2,033,518 times
Reputation: 1712
Quote:
Originally Posted by nickerman View Post
I don't believe that the gay movement happened spontaneously because of any natural tendencies or anything like that because back in the 1950s if a person was gay they hid it. If a guy was caught in a gay act it was real trouble for him. Guys would beat the crap out of him. I personally do not have anything against gays because I believe each to their own and no one should judge others. I have had a few gay acquaintances in the past and didn't think much of it. But before 1960 a person didn't hear much about gays. Then the social revolution of the late 60s brought gays to the forefront and they no longer had to hide it in fear. Gay bars used to be back alley places where it was dark so no one could identify anyone as they went in. Now gay bars are right out front for everyone to see. But there is no question that there is a powerful force behind the gay movement propelling it forward. Who is that force? I am curious to know.
There comes a time when persons, persons who are in some manner oppressed, decide to speak out. Depending on their number, often others will speak out with them. The culture might be oppressing some demographic with the notion of "that's just the way it is". Then the social conditions become such that that mentality is no longer acceptable. There are often gradual steps involved in the changing and enlightening culture: emancipation of slaves, women's vote, civil rights revolution. Apparently the next step is allowing freedom of expression to gays, and their right to marriage.
 
Old 10-20-2017, 08:16 AM
 
9,375 posts, read 6,977,761 times
Reputation: 14777
Most people in fact in this country are behind it.
 
Old 10-20-2017, 08:16 AM
 
Location: Kansas
25,962 posts, read 22,120,062 times
Reputation: 26697
Quote:
Originally Posted by newtovenice View Post
Do some investigative research. You'll be truly shocked at what has been going on for the last 100 years if you aren't clued in yet.

In two words: social programming. Welcome to the rabbit hole.
I suspect this is what you are talking about, and yes, you are correct: Strategies of the homosexual movement

My first thought was "Hollywood", followed by the porn industry, which in order to keep patrons coming back, they have to find ways to make things more "interesting". I read some very interesting info on the porn industry and how through introducing such things to straight individuals, the curiosity can cause someone not gay to want to experience gay sex for themselves. The Percentage of Straight Men Who Watch Gay Porn Not sure if I believe that, I believe porn does bad things to mind, body and spirit though.

Sex! Sex! Sex! We shut off cable about 8 years ago.
 
Old 10-20-2017, 08:23 AM
 
Location: Here and now.
11,904 posts, read 5,586,521 times
Reputation: 12963
Quote:
Originally Posted by nickerman View Post
I don't believe that the gay movement happened spontaneously because of any natural tendencies or anything like that because back in the 1950s if a person was gay they hid it. If a guy was caught in a gay act it was real trouble for him. Guys would beat the crap out of him. I personally do not have anything against gays because I believe each to their own and no one should judge others. I have had a few gay acquaintances in the past and didn't think much of it. But before 1960 a person didn't hear much about gays. Then the social revolution of the late 60s brought gays to the forefront and they no longer had to hide it in fear. Gay bars used to be back alley places where it was dark so no one could identify anyone as they went in. Now gay bars are right out front for everyone to see. But there is no question that there is a powerful force behind the gay movement propelling it forward. Who is that force? I am curious to know.
I would say the force behind it is people who got tired of hiding and getting the crap beat out of them.

I assume God gave you a brain. If you don't use it, it will rot.
 
Old 10-20-2017, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark
10,930 posts, read 11,725,051 times
Reputation: 13170
One of two sources: either liberal Democrats or the little green men behind the radiator. They often work in concert.
 
Old 10-20-2017, 08:58 AM
 
21,382 posts, read 7,943,676 times
Reputation: 18149
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cape Cod Todd View Post
I wouldn't call it so much of a movement but actually progress.

We have all sorts of groups that are coming out. How about women? 100 years ago they couldn't vote, decades after that for the most part they were still expected to be housewives and today women are still fighting for equality in many things.

People of all colours and sexual orientation just want to be heard and treated like anyone else.

I have gay friends and what difference does that make? I often wonder that when a guy lashes out and beats up on a gay guy if that bully is actually fighting off his own homosexual feelings?

I think our society is becoming more open, tolerant and acceptable of things that used to be taboo.
All of these social movement require a ton of money to fund them, to get press, to have protests, to get tv coverage.

Start researching how the straight gay alliance clubs were started in schools. It's a huge strategic operation with a lot of money involved. It was not grass roots by any stretch. It was a dedicated strategic operation.

And most social change starts with the schools. Indoctrination builds social movements.

Do. Some. Research.
 
Old 10-20-2017, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Here and now.
11,904 posts, read 5,586,521 times
Reputation: 12963
Quote:
Originally Posted by newtovenice View Post
All of these social movement require a ton of money to fund them, to get press, to have protests, to get tv coverage.

Start researching how the straight gay alliance clubs were started in schools. It's a huge strategic operation with a lot of money involved. It was not grass roots by any stretch. It was a dedicated strategic operation.

And most social change starts with the schools. Indoctrination builds social movements.

Do. Some. Research.
You must have a very big radiator.
 
Old 10-20-2017, 09:03 AM
 
21,382 posts, read 7,943,676 times
Reputation: 18149
Quote:
Originally Posted by Catgirl64 View Post
You must have a very big radiator.
No. I have a desire to base my views on facts, not little green men.

And you? Do you just make stuff up or have you done hours and and days and weeks of research to back your postings?
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Closed Thread


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Great Debates

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top