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Old 02-22-2018, 01:01 PM
 
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Originally Posted by aslowdodge View Post
This guy claims he grew up all around guns, yet he seems like he knows nothing about guns.
Could it be that "this guy" hasn't fallen in love with guns????? Or could it be that "this guy" is smart enough to know what the different gun designs are for???

Call it what you will an AR-15 , or any other military type gun, is designed specifically for killing humans.

 
Old 02-22-2018, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Raleigh
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I get your amazement OP. Think about how easy it it to exercise your other rights guaranteed by the Constitution and the Amendments thereto. I will address only one: The Sacred First Amendment. All you had to do was operate a video device and upload the result to the internet. In any number of countries that would be impossible or might even get you detained, tortured and killed.
If you obtained a gun in Syria, for instance, the process would be very short. The last sound you would hear is someone else's gun.
"Bang!" Next?

Here is a fine example of a well known surprised American:
https://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/markkelly.asp

It is whacky that a guy who is probably one of the safest risks in the world to NOT be a danger to the public should testify that it is whacky that his ability to buy a handgun was unimpeded by the government. The purchase of the AR-15 was interrupted by a very good piece of legislation intended to stop the sale of stolen guns.

You did the same thing. It makes about as much sense as complaining that you went through a green light with a traffic camera and did not get a ticket.

Free movement around the country is another right ensured by the Constitution not available in all nations.
Enjoy it while you can.
Cue the band,
"Get your kicks on route 66"
 
Old 02-22-2018, 02:23 PM
 
Location: Raleigh
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Originally Posted by Jowel View Post
Well I'm glad that slavery is now abolished by the Constitution because I'm sure there would be some politicians who would refuse to even talk about amending the Constitution if it still were legal in 2018 because their "rights" are being trampled by not being able to own and trade slaves without regulation.
You should go back and read some history, not just the feed on the history channel. There was a lot of that kind of discussion and fighting, come to that, to be able to pass those amendments to the Constitution. Also go read article 5 to see what it takes to get the Constitution amended.
It seems obvious that slavery is a bad thing now. In the 19th Century it was the basis of the economy of most of this nation and a lot of what we now call the civilized world.
 
Old 02-22-2018, 02:52 PM
 
Location: Raleigh
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Originally Posted by rso092 View Post
Ok. Where's the proposed amendment to ban some or all firearms, as some are hopeful of accomplishing?
I AM SO GLAD YOU ASKED. No , really, I wrote one last week, based on the 21st Amendment. Changes are highlighted:
Section 1. The Second article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed.

Section 2. The manufacture, transportation or importation into any State, Territory, or possession of the United States for delivery or use therein of firearms, in violation of the laws thereof, is hereby prohibited. The possession of any firearm by anyone not duly authorized by the Federal government is hereby prohibited.

Section 3. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by conventions in the several States, as provided in the Constitution, within seven years from the date of the submission hereof to the States by the Congress.

Section 4. Any portion of any State or Local Constitution, law or ordinance that contravenes or attempts to subvert Section 2 is null and void.
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Now you have passed this with a vote of 2/3 of both houses of Congress. I do not know if the POTUS has to sign it or not, since it is a resolution, not a law.
The next step is to get 3/4 of the States to agree and at the same time modify their own Constitutions (45 States have such provisions) all within 7 years.

You have to have Section 4 or each State is allowing their citizens to have guns.

The trick is, Section 4 is a violation of the Constitution itself.

That's why no one in their right mind spends any time trying to repeal the 2nd Amendment.
 
Old 02-22-2018, 03:07 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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Originally Posted by Retired in Illinois View Post
Could it be that "this guy" hasn't fallen in love with guns????? Or could it be that "this guy" is smart enough to know what the different gun designs are for???

Call it what you will an AR-15 , or any other military type gun, is designed specifically for killing humans.
Actually, if you're really interested in truth and accuracy, the civilian AR preceded the military M16 variant. That's if you want to be truthful.

Guns which were originally "military" type:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_Single_Action_Army

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1911_pistol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_rifle

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1903_Springfield

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remington_Model_1100

I'm tired now.
 
Old 02-22-2018, 05:39 PM
 
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I hope you intend to advocate that we only recruit 21 and older into the army as well. Surely those who join the army at 18-20 are incompetent to do so. Btw, I bought my first rifle at 18, it has never been used improperly.
I don't intend to advocate that and of course they are incompetent. That's why they are trained under the close supervision of the military so they can become competent. 18 is a fine age for that, after you finish high school obviously.
 
Old 02-22-2018, 08:21 PM
 
Location: USA
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The constitution is always right...

-except for slavery, lets's amend it and fix that
-also, black people should be able to vote, let's amend it and fix that
-oh, and women need to vote too, let's amend it and fix that
-people really seem to like their alcohol, let's repeal that amendment and fix that
-4th term president? Not a good idea, let's amend it and fix that
Yep! The far-right treat the Constitution much like they treat their religion. They single out a few quotes that must be interpreted only one way - hating gays, everyone having guns without any questions being asked - and throw out the rest. It is lunacy that the only defense they have for their "guns for all!" idea is "well, that's the way the law is currently interpreted."

That is not only of questionable truth - the 2nd Amendment does not give everyone the right to own whatever weapon they want, no questions asked - but it is hardly a good defense since the EXACT same defense could have been used to justify slavery and prevent women and blacks from voting.

If the best defense one can muster for a bad law is "Well, that's the law" you don't have a defense.
 
Old 02-22-2018, 08:28 PM
 
Location: USA
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To add to the OP's post: after witnessing how stupidly easy it is to buy an AR15, let's look at things you are NOT allowed to do, depending upon the state.

How many states legally recognize gay marriage? The answer = 35 states

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-s..._United_States

How many states allow legal recreational cannabis use? The answer = 9 states (others allow lesser user or general decriminalization, but still not full use without any questions or problems.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legali...._jurisdiction

How many states allow gun sales without a universal background check first for all sales? The answer = 41 states (only 9 require universal checks for all gun sales.)

Universal Background Checks | Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence

Utter and inexcusable stupidity. In America, based on our laws, we are seriously to believe that allowing 2 people of the same sex to legally marry is more dangerous than selling guns to people who can't pass background checks, and allowing a person to light up a joint on their front porch in broad daylight is FAR more dangerous than that gun sale. I guess there have been too many instances of gay couples holding hands in public and thus killing people, and far too many cases of instant massacres when one guy lights up a joint?! Sure...

The real hypocrisy? The far-right states who are most likely to allow you to buy a gun, no questions asked, are also the ones most likely to prohibit gay marriage and recreational use of weed. What happened to individual rights and the government not telling us what to do?
 
Old 02-22-2018, 08:52 PM
 
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What happened to individual rights and the government not telling us what to do?
Truly a time such as this has never existed.

Nope, not ever.

There are laws to cover most everything in our lives today.
 
Old 02-22-2018, 09:04 PM
 
Location: USA
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Truly a time such as this has never existed.

Nope, not ever.

There are laws to cover most everything in our lives today.
One can argue how many laws and of what kinds are appropriate, but there is NO excuse for it to literally be harder in our nation for gays to legally marry or to legally smoke weed for fun than it is to buy a gun without a background check. That is just stupid and inexcusable.
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