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It used to be that when a person snapped they would kill themselves.
Then it was killing the person that had pushed them over the edge such as their boss and this type of murder spawned the term "going postal". Or a ex husband would kill his ex wife.
Then it was "death by cop" where a deranged person would threaten to commit a crime, the cops would come and the person would act in such a way that the cops had to protect themselves or someone else and put a stop to that threat.
Now the deranged try to kill as many innocent people as they can using either a gun, bomb, knife or car and then they wait for the cops to arrive to kill them.
What has changed in america that has pushed people so far that they are willing to commit terrible acts against as many innocent people as possible?
We don't hear too much about mailmen going postal anymore so what did the po do to change this behavior and can it be applied to our current society to stop the mass killings?
Assault rifles are what these mass shooters use to do the most damage. What other clue is there?
Handguns kill, but not in the masses which is the intent for many of the murderers who walking into public places to take out as many people as possible.
Since close to 99% of these MASS shootings happen in GUN FREE ZONES any type of firearm is CAPABLE of killing gobs of folks.
Actually, it's scientifically proven. There have been studies. I only mention it because I've been around long enough to have heard of them. What they reveal runs almost entirely counter to American surface logic. Americans think that being a 'somebody' is the answer to almost any problem. But so do most of the theories about where the mass shooting crisis is coming from. There are plenty of suggestions, but nobody goes there.
I get that the country worships guns. People love them. They would sooner renounce their faith than give up their guns. Even in the face of complete peace, they will make up plausible reasons to keep them. But that reflects the people's fascination with fear. The sort of fear referenced there is probably what the shooters are appealing to, if they are sending any message. That fear is a form of attempting to come off as self-sufficient, no matter the circumstances. Or, it is for those who stock their houses with many guns, so that they can always get to one. If they have kids, the very real prospect that they will find them and discharge them is not reason enough to keep their guns out of easy reach. If someone mentions relying upon the police to those people, they are met with scorn and derision. It's hardly communist to believe in society. I suppose they also meet all mentions of the 'gubmint' with the same sort of response.
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And that's, sort of, my point. Society shouldn't accept school bullying any more than it should accept prison rape. In neither case, is anything much done about it. We don't want to restructure how we educate children. Almost the entire reason for the mass gathering of kids into schools, to make good industrial workers of them, is past tense. Still, we haven't engaged in a conversation about what should be next. It's probably not homeschooling, even though that has produced lots of spelling bee champions. It's also produced quite a few science deniers and children who couldn't wait to get away from their monumental parents. The answer probably does have something to do with embracing society. Maybe something about gathering children still, but changing the focus concerning why they are being gathered? Maybe being a more complete 'loser' ought to receive some kind of focus? Which is probably also why we won't go there.
But the United States of America's government has always discriminated against people. Since day one.
You ever heard of the rapper Killer Mike? He's a Bernie Sanders supporter, but he is a staunch Second Amendment supporter, too.
This goes back to the "original sin" of this country in some ways.
And today the US government openly discriminates against other people.
Do you trust Donald Trump? If not, why would you give him your right to bear arms? That's crazy.
The guns aren't going anywhere...ever. Not in this country. So like it or not - 300 more "mass shootings" or not - you had better deal with that reality. They are here to stay. Now...you can be a part of the solution (metal detectors in schools, church's have armed security and so on...) or you can just kick and scream about how you want guns to disappear.
...we have an increasingly "sink or swim" society, and it leaves those who are sinking feeling desperate. I think social media has made everything worse, because the bullying is now 24 hours a day...
I don't think it's due to bullying. Most of these shooters have long enduring emotional and behavioral problems, many since childhood. The whole bullying issue was a myth about Columbine as well. (If anything, Eric Harris bullied others, not the other way around, as the media initially portrayed it.)
How about the breakdown of the American family, children growing up without a father, the social media with electronics are diminishing and changing real relationships with humans, etc! Lots of new pressures today are causing early emotional and mental issues, IMO.
But the United States of America's government has always discriminated against people. Since day one.
You ever heard of the rapper Killer Mike? He's a Bernie Sanders supporter, but he is a staunch Second Amendment supporter, too.
This goes back to the "original sin" of this country in some ways.
And today the US government openly discriminates against other people.
Do you trust Donald Trump? If not, why would you give him your right to bear arms? That's crazy.
The guns aren't going anywhere...ever. Not in this country. So like it or not - 300 more "mass shootings" or not - you had better deal with that reality. They are here to stay. Now...you can be a part of the solution (metal detectors in schools, church's have armed security and so on...) or you can just kick and scream about how you want guns to disappear.
It's up to you...
Eventually, after so many schools are shot up, something WILL change. With every new 'mass shooting', there are more and more people saying "enough is enough" and giving in to accepting the idea of tough new gun laws.
Its the perfect way to change the nation (without any risk of a revolution either)...you simply manipulate public opinion on certain things, to line up with what Govt wants...its that easy.
For proof of this, watch any news coverage of a 'gun turn in or buy back event' and listen to what the people in line are saying.
Eventually, after so many schools are shot up, something WILL change. With every new 'mass shooting', there are more and more people saying "enough is enough" and giving in to accepting the idea of tough new gun laws.
Its the perfect way to change the nation (without any risk of a revolution either)...you simply manipulate public opinion on certain things, to line up with what Govt wants...its that easy.
For proof of this, watch any news coverage of a 'gun turn in or buy back event' and listen to what the people in line are saying.
That's how they'll do it. Continue churning out indoctrinated leftist fools out of public schools...so mentally disturbed they will willingly TURN IN their weaponry. To a government that hates them, though has manipulated them so much they are oblivious to it.
What you have to come to terms with is: guns aren't going anywhere. That whole Second Amendment thing.
Once you accept that, maybe you will have a better grasp of the situation.
Maybe dropping the knee-jerk defense of the 2nd amendment when it isn't threatened or even mentioned would be helpful on moving the discussion forward.
But the United States of America's government has always discriminated against people. Since day one.
You ever heard of the rapper Killer Mike? He's a Bernie Sanders supporter, but he is a staunch Second Amendment supporter, too.
This goes back to the "original sin" of this country in some ways.
And today the US government openly discriminates against other people.
Do you trust Donald Trump? If not, why would you give him your right to bear arms? That's crazy.
The guns aren't going anywhere...ever. Not in this country. So like it or not - 300 more "mass shootings" or not - you had better deal with that reality. They are here to stay. Now...you can be a part of the solution (metal detectors in schools, church's have armed security and so on...) or you can just kick and scream about how you want guns to disappear.
It's up to you...
It says something about how we can't see other people's plights. We exist in what economies of scale and division of labor leave us to exist in. I'm not against those things. I only point out how we connect with each other, how we see each other, is on the basis which confirms the structure which creates them. We use money in order to distribute the proceeds of society. We do not consider anything precious enough to be priceless.
Do we have a means of determining that sort of value? Yes, I believe that means is to consider that no matter how much money a person has, there is a thing which we call right of way. We could say that people have rights, but where do those begin and end? That way of thinking eventually leads to a bottomless pit of controversy because we find ourselves arguing over who deserves a thing based upon one story or another. Right of way says that people can move as freely as they wish, they only need respect something about the timing of their own interest in a thing relative to another's interest. If people are hogs, additionally, they can lose what they horde. They can lose it in the name of it benefiting society, of it going to a proper use rather than sitting on a dusty shelf when its whole meaning comes from its use.
That's how they'll do it. Continue churning out indoctrinated leftist fools out of public schools...so mentally disturbed they will willingly TURN IN their weaponry.
Public schools don't "churn out indoctrinated leftist fools."
The student who is capable of shooting up a school is already seriously disturbed by the time he enters school.
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