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I have been noticing that consequences seem to have been put aside and lost. When I was a kid and I screwed up, I got a crack on the ass. Eventually you kind of pick up that there are consequences to actions. Good or bad habits/deeds relate to actions taken later.
Is your credit card bill too high? Don't let the credit card company trick you into paying it. WTF? You owe $100,000. in back taxes? Let us settle this for a fraction of what you owe???
If you didn't come here illegally, none of this would be happening. If you didn't put a bullet in that guys head, you wouldn't be in prison. If you didn't steal some ones stuff...
People know this. It doesn't matter where you came from. people know this. You did it. It is your fault, it really is.
Being too spoiled or being too poor or being too anything is not excuse enough
Gotta go, the blood pressure is climbing
Last edited by ltdontcare; 06-19-2018 at 02:42 PM..
Yes, it is just past the point where many glaring problem are even recognized. And if they are in fact
highlighted, the deflection and blaming others is effective and convenient.
I have been noticing that consequences seem to have been put aside and lost. When I was a kid and I screwed up, I got a crack on the ass. Eventually you kind of pick up that there are consequences to actions. Good or bad habits/deeds relate to actions taken later.
Is your credit card bill too high? Don't let the credit card company trick you into paying it. WTF? You owe $100,000. in back taxes? Let us settle this for a fraction of what you owe???
If you didn't come here illegally, none of this would be happening. If you didn't put a bullet in that guys head, you wouldn't be in prison. If you didn't steal some ones stuff...
People know this. It doesn't matter where you came from. people know this. You did it. It is your fault, it really is.
Being too spoiled or being too poor or being too anything is not excuse enough
Gotta go, the blood pressure is climbing
I agree. But unfortunately, it starts at the top. The POTUS receives no negative consequences for his actions, even for those actions that are are illegal, violate the Constitution, violate the norms of a modern civilized society, or violate the norms of American morality.
When the rest of the country sees that the elected President can do whatever he wants with no consequences, of course the rest of the country feels they should have no consequences either. Kind of like a role model thing?
Instead of consequences now, it appears that if one can get away with one's actions, they are being 'smart.' And when any politicians with morals goes against the party line, they are 'primaried' or voted out, so consequences for showing a backbone and sticking to principles can actually be viewed as punishment.
This is a cultural shift in American morality, and I don't see it changing as long as we are on the road we are on with the current leaders in power. We are living in a society where 'consequences' are not defined as being punished for not doing the right thing. Consequences may be punishment for doing the right thing.
I think we can safely say that the US has become a bizarro world where consequences are not based on morality, doing the 'right' thing, or doing what you believe is the principled action to take, but consequences may instead result from not obeying the 'mob mentality" of those wielding power (or imagined power).
I agree. But unfortunately, it starts at the top. The POTUS receives no negative consequences for his actions, even for those actions that are are illegal, violate the Constitution, violate the norms of a modern civilized society, or violate the norms of American morality.
When the rest of the country sees that the elected President can do whatever he wants with no consequences, of course the rest of the country feels they should have no consequences either. Kind of like a role model thing?
Instead of consequences now, it appears that if one can get away with one's actions, they are being 'smart.' And when any politicians with morals goes against the party line, they are 'primaried' or voted out, so consequences for showing a backbone and sticking to principles can actually be viewed as punishment.
This is a cultural shift in American morality, and I don't see it changing as long as we are on the road we are on with the current leaders in power. We are living in a society where 'consequences' are not defined as being punished for not doing the right thing. Consequences may be punishment for doing the right thing.
I think we can safely say that the US has become a bizarro world where consequences are not based on morality, doing the 'right' thing, or doing what you believe is the principled action to take, but consequences may instead result from not obeying the 'mob mentality" of those wielding power (or imagined power).
I was going to comment on the OP's points, but since this has quickly devolved into a political rant, I'm out.
This has nothing to do with who is sitting in the "big boy chair". It has gotten worse over the last 20, 25 years. Even when your beloved (fill in the blank) was in charge. It has more to do with morals. It is banking, lawyers, they are picking on my people, etc.
There is an excuse for everybody now. The people that are getting screwed are the ones that try to do the right thing. The ones that try to use their turn signals every time, pay their bills on time, keep their hands in their pockets when they go into a store. Because we know if we mess up and get caught, we expect to pay the price.
Maybe the punishment didn't fit the crime to start with? Maybe some of the broad range of these problems could be resolved in other ways. Maybe a scalpel is better than a sledgehammer.
I'm fine with their being laws and rules. But, in many instances, the penalties are steeper than the crime/violation/infraction that was committed.
There is an excuse for everybody now. The people that are getting screwed are the ones that try to do the right thing. The ones that try to use their turn signals every time, pay their bills on time, keep their hands in their pockets when they go into a store. Because we know if we mess up and get caught, we expect to pay the price.
You're right about that...They're getting screwed even when they don't mess up...and screwed again when their taxes go up to pay for all the lawyers and judges for those who do....
It's hardly worth it to be honest in this society anymore...it works against you, and you're penalized or punished for it.
I agree. But unfortunately, it starts at the top. The POTUS receives no negative consequences for his actions, even for those actions that are are illegal, violate the Constitution, violate the norms of a modern civilized society, or violate the norms of American morality.
When the rest of the country sees that the elected President can do whatever he wants with no consequences, of course the rest of the country feels they should have no consequences either. Kind of like a role model thing?
Instead of consequences now, it appears that if one can get away with one's actions, they are being 'smart.' And when any politicians with morals goes against the party line, they are 'primaried' or voted out, so consequences for showing a backbone and sticking to principles can actually be viewed as punishment.
This is a cultural shift in American morality, and I don't see it changing as long as we are on the road we are on with the current leaders in power. We are living in a society where 'consequences' are not defined as being punished for not doing the right thing. Consequences may be punishment for doing the right thing.
I think we can safely say that the US has become a bizarro world where consequences are not based on morality, doing the 'right' thing, or doing what you believe is the principled action to take, but consequences may instead result from not obeying the 'mob mentality" of those wielding power (or imagined power).
Agreed, although I'm not sure which came first...the chicken or the egg.
And I would add that lying is seen as not only "okay", but "admirable" and just a way to do business.
This has nothing to do with who is sitting in the "big boy chair". It has gotten worse over the last 20, 25 years. Even when your beloved (fill in the blank) was in charge. It has more to do with morals. It is banking, lawyers, they are picking on my people, etc.
There is an excuse for everybody now. The people that are getting screwed are the ones that try to do the right thing. The ones that try to use their turn signals every time, pay their bills on time, keep their hands in their pockets when they go into a store. Because we know if we mess up and get caught, we expect to pay the price.
Well, like most things in life that matter, it's not an either/or. It does matter who is in a position to "set the tone", but yes, it also has to do with morals.
You're right about that...They're getting screwed even when they don't mess up...and screwed again when their taxes go up to pay for all the lawyers and judges for those who do....
It's hardly worth it to be honest in this society anymore...it works against you, and you're penalized or punished for it.
I think we have long lived under the misconception that we have a true justice system. We may have one of the best on earth, but it isn't about true justice. It's really based on revenge against people who break the law, and yet there's a built in encouragement for many to play the system.
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