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Old 04-07-2019, 01:53 PM
 
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If you're not looking to debate this why bring it up? Because it's your agenda. It is science. I'd post links like I've done before, but you'd refuse to read them.

Hence, why deniers of all stripes have no leg to stand on.
What DJ meant is that we don't really want to detract too far from the OP purpose.
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Old 04-07-2019, 02:14 PM
 
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What DJ meant is that we don't really want to detract too far from the OP purpose.
No. Not at all.

It amazes me that here on C-D so many can't seem to realize that starting one discussion can lead to many tangential discussions.
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Old 04-07-2019, 03:10 PM
 
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It is somewhat comical that if I point out that 500 years ago vikings planted barley in Greenland because it was warmer then somehow I am a science denier. However it is sadder that those same people say the science is settled. Once you say science can no longer be debated or reviewed, it is no longer science but a religion.

If we are headed to a dark ages, it will be a lack of wisdom. Our education system has been replacing wisdom with intelligence. We are cranking out tons of kids every year that are book and test smart, but have nearly zero life experiences. Over scheduled, over-protected kids that grow up and have many opinions but no actual real world experience.

We are headed towards a "Wisdom Dark Ages".
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Old 04-07-2019, 03:29 PM
 
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I'm sure lots of people think I'm speaking like an alarmist but I can't stop thinking about this. As far as I'm concerned, it's likely that society is entering a new Dark Ages because of a combination of a culture that tries to brainwash people and the progress of technology. What is a way we prove this wrong?
  • Entertainment and pop culture hitting a dead-end
  • Media is concentrated by only 5 large companies and blinding people away from the truth
  • Advanced technology allowing spying and invading privacy, and potentially threatening mass job losses
  • Men are no longer men and women are no longer women
  • Nuclear war (or even more deadly advanced weapons) is potentially a looming threat again
  • Living is harder because everything is way more expensive and income hasn't quite caught up

Admittedly it is little Western-centric, but I don't doubt it can apply to the non-West. The West is just what I happen to be more familiar with.
If I've noticed anything about movies supposedly taking place in the future such as the Hunger Games or The Matrix, it's that even with characters being subjected to so much propagandized content, the people's default reaction is still to believe it.

We're more skeptical now with our media having a fair amount of bias, than we foresee we will be with an absolutely biased media.
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Old 04-07-2019, 03:59 PM
 
Location: San Diego CA
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One persons Dark Age is another’s Enlightenment . Depends on your perspective.
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Old 04-07-2019, 04:12 PM
 
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One persons Dark Age is another’s Enlightenment . Depends on your perspective.
Depends on your social standing. Often, one man's enlightenment comes at the cost of another's.

Failing to grasp the reality of one's own actual environment is either delusion or substance-induced. If I spent my life building the pyramids because I would be imprisoned if I did not, and wholeheartedly believed I was catching rays on a deserted island the entire time, I would be delusional.
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Old 04-07-2019, 04:15 PM
 
Location: Southwest Washington State
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I'm sure lots of people think I'm speaking like an alarmist but I can't stop thinking about this. As far as I'm concerned, it's likely that society is entering a new Dark Ages because of a combination of a culture that tries to brainwash people and the progress of technology. What is a way we prove this wrong?
  • Entertainment and pop culture hitting a dead-end
  • Media is concentrated by only 5 large companies and blinding people away from the truth
  • Advanced technology allowing spying and invading privacy, and potentially threatening mass job losses
  • Men are no longer men and women are no longer women
  • Nuclear war (or even more deadly advanced weapons) is potentially a looming threat again
  • Living is harder because everything is way more expensive and income hasn't quite caught up

Admittedly it is little Western-centric, but I don't doubt it can apply to the non-West. The West is just what I happen to be more familiar with.
You have simply posted your opinions, without supporting evidence. Why do you think your list signifies the advent of a new Dark Age?

The only thing on your list that strikes me as civilization ending is nuclear warfare. If we have nuclear war, we might be lucky to end up in a Dark Age, and not completely obliterated.

The other stuff—you need to supply arguments to develop your thoughts.
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Old 04-07-2019, 04:23 PM
 
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It is just the opposite. It is the throwing out the dullards and freaks who want to come into this country to use it for their short term goals and destroy it and focusing on nationalism. If you are "anti science" as the term goes, that means you have a brain in your head and are asking questions. Questions that "science" refuses to answer because they know it will hurt their argument. Instead they just ramp up their demands to do what they say and try to silence those asking questions.

As the last super power we became the focus of the world and they realized they didn't have to make their own countries ok, they only had to steal from this one. Via trade deals or by illegal immigration. We are heading the way of the USSR, financially bankrupt, and full of graft and corruption.

Entertainment has become a propaganda machine. People are turning off the "fake news" realizing it is propaganda. So the forces are now using movies and tv to send those messages out. I can see it.. but the millennials can't. There are so many movies that are just made now to be propaganda. Right down to Hallmark movies tv movies.
Gee, thanks for advancing my point that I feel like I was born in the wrong generation. :-|

I'm going to have such a short "good" life because of this bullsh*t.
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Old 04-07-2019, 04:51 PM
 
Location: Honolulu
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You have simply posted your opinions, without supporting evidence. Why do you think your list signifies the advent of a new Dark Age?

The only thing on your list that strikes me as civilization ending is nuclear warfare. If we have nuclear war, we might be lucky to end up in a Dark Age, and not completely obliterated.

The other stuff—you need to supply arguments to develop your thoughts.
Agree. Everyone's entitled to their opinions but I can't stand these threads where the poster doesn't back up their opinions with evidence. Worse yet are when those opinions are factually incorrect. I'm referring to the last statement about "Living is harder because everything is way more expensive and income hasn't quite caught up". There are statistics that show that real wages have remained stagnant for the past 40 years, not gone down, which I believe is what the OP is implying. So the OP loses credibility with that assertion. I think the OP is intellectually lazy.
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Old 04-07-2019, 07:32 PM
 
Location: NYC
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It is somewhat comical that if I point out that 500 years ago vikings planted barley in Greenland because it was warmer then somehow I am a science denier. However it is sadder that those same people say the science is settled. Once you say science can no longer be debated or reviewed, it is no longer science but a religion.

If we are headed to a dark ages, it will be a lack of wisdom. Our education system has been replacing wisdom with intelligence. We are cranking out tons of kids every year that are book and test smart, but have nearly zero life experiences. Over scheduled, over-protected kids that grow up and have many opinions but no actual real world experience.

We are headed towards a "Wisdom Dark Ages".
It's comical that environmentalists are pushing for changes to battle climate change. Now how do you stop climate change? The climate always changes on Earth, even on other planets that do not have human interventions.

Most people don't know that at one point in time that Antartica was not cold and freezing. It's been debated and but the conclusion was that somebody had traveled there hundreds of years ago and created a map of the area.

https://www.disclose.tv/a-500-year-o...the-ice-313178

If that was the case, the climate just 500 years ago was very very different than today. Scientists had thought that Antartica had been a frozen tundra for 30,000 years.
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