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This. It is infuriating how little Americans care for the elderly. "Nana only has 6 years left in the tank, so let's just pull the plug. The economy matters more." That is exactly what Dan Patrick was saying, but he made it worse by making himself sound brave and noble, a sacrificial lamb on the glorified altar of euthanasia. As if he, a multimillionaire politician, would ever have to make that choice for himself in the first place.
It isn't a matter of "the economy or my mother." It isn't the economy itself, but what an economic disaster will do to many families. Lives are lost that way, too.
That said, I am NOT offering up my mother. I don't know the answer.
My understanding is, we're also trying to "flatten the curve" to keep from overwhelming the hospitals.
The longer we can delay the inevitable, the more likely a treatment will come along and short circuit the whole process.
Right now, the hydroxychloroquine & azithromycin & zinc combination is the most promising treatment. This NJ doc has treated over 900 infected people to date, with zero deaths and 6 hospital admittances. It may be naive to believe in magic bullets, but... let's hope this is the "magic bullet"!
Plus a couple of other very promising anti-virals and half a dozen vaccine candidates coming along.
Agreed. We're in it for the long haul. I'm hoping quarantine could end in a few months, but I'm afraid it may last much longer than that!
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Another armchair quarterback with perfect 20-20 hindsight. Since the leadership is so "terrible", presumably you enthusiastically supported the impeachment effort -- which was happening just as the virus was hitting. In fact Mr. Trump barred travelers from China exactly while the Congress was voting on whether to remove him from office. Now there's some wise lawmakers for you. Too bad those hacks weren't in power, huh? I'm sure a President Hillary or President Pelosi would have done a much better job (sarc).
Disagree. Hillary, Pelosi... they wouldn't have downplayed the Coronavirus. Have you heard the ridiculous things he's said about that? If you're feeling sick, you can just go to work. In April, it'll just disappear like some miracle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch7_t2Ri2Zg
As for him getting impeached, that's his fault. If you do shady stuff, that's the kind of consequences you'd have to deal with. Plus, it's not like he wasn't doing other things then.
Another armchair quarterback with perfect 20-20 hindsight. Since the leadership is so "terrible", presumably you enthusiastically supported the impeachment effort -- which was happening just as the virus was hitting. In fact Mr. Trump barred travelers from China exactly while the Congress was voting on whether to remove him from office. Now there's some wise lawmakers for you. Too bad those hacks weren't in power, huh? I'm sure a President Hillary or President Pelosi would have done a much better job (sarc).
I didn't say any of those things nor BENGHAZI!
I told it like it is. Anyone can clearly see the entire effort was mucked up. It's not like it's trying to be covered up. You can read the exact words and interviews with those involved and the timelines.
Try to look at actual events instead of copying and pasting the Political rants that flow through whatever "news" you may be looking at.
We screwed up big time...some of which continues to this very week.
Intelligence is defined as the ability to learn from mistakes. We should all read and study what happened so we don't do it again - even on the 2nd wave of this monster.
Have we forgotten that old and sick people sometimes die? Are we all supposed to be immortal?
Problem is that this disease greatly accelerates their date with destiny. Not to worry though, the country will be open soon enough and the old/infirm will be harshly tossed into the hands of fate. It's a tragedy that won't stop taking for quite some time.
People just assume our govt is telling us everything right now too!! LOL
I guarantee, there are details to this, that they are NOT disclosing to the public at this time!!
Do some reading on FEMA protocols for national crisis's and what steps they take and what they are allowed to do during such times!
You may be overestimating the government's capacities with regard to the virus. You seem to be assuming, that the government entities involved in dealing with the pandemic actually have accurate and thorough information. Why would you think that, when the CDC, supposedly the ultimate authority we're supposed to have faith in regarding public health matters, told the publicnot to wear masks for the first two months of the outbreak (even as hospital staff were scrambling desperately for as many as they could get), and now has reversed itself?
According to a recent article on the outbreak in the NY Times, New Yorkers (the hardest-hit location in the US) don't follow the CDC, FEMA, or any other government entity for information and advice. New Yorkers have found that Johns Hopkins is the go-to place for accurate and timely information. Word has it, that JH researchers and doctors are on the ball, and are a more reliable source of Covid-related info. I Googled around just now, and found this site.
You may be overestimating the government's capacities with regard to the virus. You seem to be assuming, that the government entities involved in dealing with the pandemic actually have accurate and thorough information. Why would you think that, when the CDC, supposedly the ultimate authority we're supposed to have faith in regarding public health matters, told the publicnot to wear masks for the first two months of the outbreak (even as hospital staff were scrambling desperately for as many as they could get), and now has reversed itself?
According to a recent article on the outbreak in the NY Times, New Yorkers (the hardest-hit location in the US) don't follow the CDC, FEMA, or any other government entity for information and advice. New Yorkers have found that Johns Hopkins is the go-to place for accurate and timely information. Word has it, that JH researchers and doctors are on the ball, and are a more reliable source of Covid-related info. I Googled around just now, and found this site.
Hypothetical scenario... there is an asteroid that is still about 6 months out, but it is predicted to directly hit the earth, the Govt learns about this, what do they do? Do they inform the general public immediately of this asteroid?
Or do they wait, in an attempt to avoid mass panic and all the problems that will come with that?
Would it be in the publics best interest to know about this 6 months ahead of time?
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Hypothetical scenario... there is an asteroid that is still about 6 months out, but it is predicted to directly hit the earth, the Govt learns about this, what do they do? Do they inform the general public immediately of this asteroid?
Or do they wait, in an attempt to avoid mass panic and all the problems that will come with that?
Would it be in the publics best interest to know about this 6 months ahead of time?
No - let the nations try to work on a solution of the impending disaster rather than cause a world wide panic. If they can't figure out anything and life ends in 6 months so be it - but at least people had a life up until then.
You may be overestimating the government's capacities with regard to the virus. You seem to be assuming, that the government entities involved in dealing with the pandemic actually have accurate and thorough information. Why would you think that, when the CDC, supposedly the ultimate authority we're supposed to have faith in regarding public health matters, told the publicnot to wear masks for the first two months of the outbreak (even as hospital staff were scrambling desperately for as many as they could get), and now has reversed itself?
According to a recent article on the outbreak in the NY Times, New Yorkers (the hardest-hit location in the US) don't follow the CDC, FEMA, or any other government entity for information and advice. New Yorkers have found that Johns Hopkins is the go-to place for accurate and timely information. Word has it, that JH researchers and doctors are on the ball, and are a more reliable source of Covid-related info. I Googled around just now, and found this site.
Good read Ruth4Truth. Most relevant publication --
The Unequal Cost of Social Distancing
Stefanie DeLuca, James Coleman Professor of Sociology & Social Policy
Nick Papageorge, Broadus Mitchell Associate Professor of Economics
Emma Kalish, PhD student in Economics
No finite answers but an even handed acknowledgement of the hugh cost of social distancing on human life beyond just the metric of slowing the virus curve.
Hypothetical scenario... there is an asteroid that is still about 6 months out, but it is predicted to directly hit the earth, the Govt learns about this, what do they do? Do they inform the general public immediately of this asteroid?
Or do they wait, in an attempt to avoid mass panic and all the problems that will come with that?
Would it be in the publics best interest to know about this 6 months ahead of time?
Your analogy is incomplete. Let me fill in the missing component. The government tries to avoid mass panic, so they don't release the news right away. Yet, the coming asteroid in those first months has already begun to slough off fiery bits that rain down on the country, killing some people, while gravely injuring others.. As the asteroid comes nearer, the fallout increases. Emergency medical facilities become overwhelmed.
If the gov't had told the public what was going on, some of those people might have saved themselves by heading to the nearest fallout shelter. But the Supreme Leader didn't accept the science reports at first, and didn't believe an asteroid would actually hit our planet. OR, as you posit, he thought he was acting benignly, in keeping the public in the dark. Unnecessary deaths were the price paid as a result of the gov't's decision.
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Problem is that this disease greatly accelerates their date with destiny. Not to worry though, the country will be open soon enough and the old/infirm will be harshly tossed into the hands of fate. It's a tragedy that won't stop taking for quite some time.
That's really not fair. We are all either doomed or severely impoverished with some real output from the economy. One cannot run an economy is shutdown mode with only businesses that can operate remotely functioning for more than a brief period.
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