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It blows my mind that supposed "medical experts" have stated that face masks don't work to limit the spread of respiratory viruses. The Surgeon General, Dr. Fauci, the CDC, and the WHO all proved that they are either functional idiots with IQs below 70, or political scumbags with ZERO concern for the lives of Americans.
Since these "experts" offered so much bad and/or contradictory advice about face masks, there are now far too many people (primarily men) who feel justified in not wearing face masks. Yes, it's a male thing, and Trump is a good example: they think a face mask makes them look "weak" and therefore look for reasons to not wear one. In a more intellectual society, we could point to the fact that all health care professionals wear them, so OBVIOUSLY they work to prevent catching / spreading viruses, but unfortunately most Americans think only what their authority figures tell them to think, and the current authority figures are 90% morons and 10% political manipulators.
I don't wear a mask because I'm male, or that I support Trump. I don't wear a mask because it makes me look weak.
I don't wear a mask because they give me panic attacks. Seeing masks on other people gives me anxiety, since I fear not being able to understand what they're saying.
And yet people will say that's no excuse, wear them anyway, panic attacks be damned.
So, I have a question.
American citizen is a free person within a free country. His rights, liberties and freedoms are guaranteed by constitution. One of those rights is freedom of movement from a point to a point. Unless, it is violating boundaries of another freedom - freedom of personal and private property.
So exactly what legal right does a "store", or any other business, have, to implement their own decisions on who has right to enter and who does not? I am pretty sure, those store owners don't even really own the property, they most likely rent it. Then, there is landlord. Does landlord have such legal right?
I am more curious about LEGAL aspects of A business making decision, limiting US citizens in their constitutional rights? I mean, next, there will be store imposed limitations based on what? Height? Skin color? Ethnicity? Haven't we seen this before? No such and such allowed?
The owners, or lessees, of a property have full control, other than not discriminating against protected status groups, over who gets to enter their property. The Constitution limits what government can do, not businesses or individuals.
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Originally Posted by Rkstar71
Wearing the mask is not about public health and safety. Wearing the mask is about control over people.
Bwahahaha. That's hilarious. It's not about control over people, it's about trying to limit the spread of an infectious disease.
Bwahahaha. That's hilarious. It's not about control over people, it's about trying to limit the spread of an infectious disease.
If the CDC came out tomorrow and said that the virus causes ED or sterility in men between the ages of 18 and 40 I think the majority of the whole 'gov't control' argument would pretty much disappear and mask wearing would probably be at 90% or better. Seems like most of the folks making that argument feel like they're bullet proof and that the virus is only someone else's problem. No concern unless it hits them where they live.
If the CDC came out tomorrow and said that the virus causes ED or sterility in men between the ages of 18 and 40 I think the majority of the whole 'gov't control' argument would pretty much disappear and mask wearing would probably be at 90% or better. Seems like most of the folks making that argument feel like they're bullet proof and that the virus is only someone else's problem. No concern unless it hits them where they live.
Nah. They’d just go mask-free on their straight pipe Harleys and V8 Mustangs. They’re already used to compensating.
Thanks and to clarify this is absolutely not my friend, just some random person. I am well aware of what the laws are and are not but what I cannot understand is how a sane person could make this argument. I'm going with he/she has mental retardation.
Sounds about right. Otherwise known as a ******* moron.
You are misinterpreting what freedom of movement means. It does not mean a citizen has a hall pass to roam where and when they like.
Own or Lease, a business can only act through their Agents (the basic law of Agency). If the business itself is the owner, they set the rules. If the business is a Renter of the property, they also set the rules, as long as they comply with the terms of the Lease, the LL has no say in the operations except when actions warrant legal intervention.
A store/business, as we address it here, is what is known as a Public Accommodation by law, therefore PA laws apply, federal and state. Very rarely can a private entity violate a persons/citizens 1st AM rights.
You use the skin color, ethnicity correctly though. A business can not discriminate against these and other protected classes.
Example: Store A allows white people to shop without masks, but orders blacks to wear masks in order to enter as a business invitee. Illegal.
Example: Store A requires everyone who wishes to enter wear a mask. Legal.
therefore PA laws apply, federal and state. Very rarely can a private entity violate a persons/citizens 1st AM rights.
Exactly. Every business should be bound by laws of the country. I am presuming, 1st AM is not time, but 1st amendment? Please, note, I clearly indicated that person has right to movement unless....
What I am saying is that a business can't impose their own rules, if they are in violation of constitution and other local/state laws. Isn't it exactly what you are saying? If there is constitutional right to ...., a business owner can not prevent it from being executed, based on their preferences or other considerations. That's all I am saying.
Otherwise, if you need good excuse to not wear a mask,. look up CO2 inhalation side effects. As, basically, you are breathing into a paper bag for extended time.
Inhalation: Low concentrations are not harmful. Higher concentrations can affect respiratory function and cause excitation followed by depression of the central nervous system. A high concentration can displace oxygen in the air. If less oxygen is available to breathe, symptoms such as rapid breathing, rapid heart rate, clumsiness, emotional upsets and fatigue can result. As less oxygen becomes available, nausea and vomiting, collapse, convulsions, coma and death can occur. Symptoms occur more quickly with physical effort. Lack of oxygen can cause permanent damage to organs including the brain and heart
So, if you, as you should to build up your immune system, exercise - at least, be smart and remove mask. As, as every human, you inhale O2 and exhale CO2.
With it being summer, I find masks extremely uncomfortable here in the Southern heat. Virginia mandates them. I wear them in Virginia, and most of the big box places I frequent in TN. I do not wear them in masks, convenience stores, or places where I can appropriately distance.
With that said, my glasses get fogged up no matter what mask I have. I usually leave my nostrils exposed. That's the only way I can get somewhat comfortable in one.
Wearing the mask is not about public health and safety. Wearing the mask is about control over people.
In general I find myself agreeing with your posts. This one, not so much. There is enough evidence that masks slow the spread to encourage their use. Even better, I think they help the panic-stricken snowflakes come out of hiding and let others do so as well.
therefore PA laws apply, federal and state. Very rarely can a private entity violate a persons/citizens 1st AM rights.
Exactly. Every business should be bound by laws of the country. I am presuming, 1st AM is not time, but 1st amendment? Please, note, I clearly indicated that person has right to movement unless....
What I am saying is that a business can't impose their own rules, if they are in violation of constitution and other local/state laws. Isn't it exactly what you are saying? If there is constitutional right to ...., a business owner can not prevent it from being executed, based on their preferences or other considerations. That's all I am saying.
Otherwise, if you need good excuse to not wear a mask,. look up CO2 inhalation side effects. As, basically, you are breathing into a paper bag for extended time.
Inhalation: Low concentrations are not harmful. Higher concentrations can affect respiratory function and cause excitation followed by depression of the central nervous system. A high concentration can displace oxygen in the air. If less oxygen is available to breathe, symptoms such as rapid breathing, rapid heart rate, clumsiness, emotional upsets and fatigue can result. As less oxygen becomes available, nausea and vomiting, collapse, convulsions, coma and death can occur. Symptoms occur more quickly with physical effort. Lack of oxygen can cause permanent damage to organs including the brain and heart
So, if you, as you should to build up your immune system, exercise - at least, be smart and remove mask. As, as every human, you inhale O2 and exhale CO2.
Once again, the Constitution only applies to government, not private entities. Any business can tell you not to preach on their property, and are not violating your First Amendment rights. Any business or person can prohibit you from carrying a firearm on their property, and not violate your second Amendment rights, etc.
If CO2 was an issue, we would see doctors, nurses, sandblasters, et al all dropping like flies. They aren't, so it's not an issue. The CO2 you exhale goes through the mask and dissipates in the atmosphere.
Wearing the mask is not about public health and safety. Wearing the mask is about control over people.
It completely blows my mind there are people that believe this....
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