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I didn't bother to check, but I guess there have been earlier threads on the issue of criminalising - decriminalising sex work.
Well here's one for ya.*
Criminalize sex work, and*some related healthcare costs (STI) increase by 58%. That's according to the National Bureau of Economic Research in a new paper released today.
This does not address all associated costs, but notes that five years after criminalisation, activity had rebounded to pre criminalisation levels, and the associated elevated healthcare costs remained, and likely increased.
Just as a "well regulated militia", is essential.....
I think a "well regulated sex industry" is the way to go.*
Oz, NZ, Brazil, 9 or 10 EU countries plus some in Asia have legalised it. Workers are tested regularly, and instead of costing the*state in health costs, they pay taxes etc.
I'm agnostic on the related moral issues, but do recognize there are additional social costs associated.*
Just as various states are legalising gambling and marijuana for lure of more money, I think some urban states could do it with little resistance. The sky hasn't fallen in Nevada.
Its funny in 2020 that anyone believes men marry for sex and women marry for a baby.
Anyway as to de criminalizing prostitution, I'm all for it. Clean it up, make it safe.
And BTW, its not just women who are sex workers. Lots of closet homosexuals out there.
That's a non-sequitur. You've jumped to a conclusion unsupported by what I said. I qualified by using the word "somewhat".
I didn't bother to check, but I guess there have been earlier threads on the issue of criminalising - decriminalising sex work.
Well here's one for ya.*
Criminalize sex work, and*some related healthcare costs (STI) increase by 58%. That's according to the National Bureau of Economic Research in a new paper released today.
This does not address all associated costs, but notes that five years after criminalisation, activity had rebounded to pre criminalisation levels, and the associated elevated healthcare costs remained, and likely increased.
Just as a "well regulated militia", is essential.....
I think a "well regulated sex industry" is the way to go.*
Oz, NZ, Brazil, 9 or 10 EU countries plus some in Asia have legalised it. Workers are tested regularly, and instead of costing the*state in health costs, they pay taxes etc.
I'm agnostic on the related moral issues, but do recognize there are additional social costs associated.*
Just as various states are legalising gambling and marijuana for lure of more money, I think some urban states could do it with little resistance. The sky hasn't fallen in Nevada.
That's a non-sequitur. You've jumped to a conclusion unsupported by what I said. I qualified by using the word "somewhat".
Well do tell then what conclusion should we infer from the statement: It's also a fact due to women's biological clock, that men are somewhat less interested in stable monogamous relationships than women. and how the qualifier somewhat less as opposed to less changes the conclusion.
Its funny in 2020 that anyone believes men marry for sex and women marry for a baby.
Anyway as to de criminalizing prostitution, I'm all for it. Clean it up, make it safe.
And BTW, its not just women who are sex workers. Lots of closet homosexuals out there.
And children. Definitely more of them than "closeted homosexuals". Legalized prostitution doesn't slow the rate of human trafficking, if anything leaves room for worsening it. Take a look at Amsterdam.
Besides, sex work is pretty much legal so long as it's documented and posted on the internet, then labeled as "porn". It's completely unregulated to the point where you could get away with almost anything.
And children. Definitely more of them than "closeted homosexuals". Legalized prostitution doesn't slow the rate of human trafficking, if anything leaves room for worsening it. Take a look at Amsterdam.
Besides, sex work is pretty much legal so long as it's documented and posted on the internet, then labeled as "porn". It's completely unregulated to the point where you could get away with almost anything.
Taking a look at Amsterdam:
From Wikipedia: "When the Dutch government legalized prostitution in 2000, it was to protect the women by giving them work permits, but authorities now fear that this business is out of control: "We've realized this is no longer about small-scale entrepreneurs, but those big crime organizations are involved here in trafficking women, drugs, killings, and other criminal activities', said Job Cohen, the former mayor of Amsterdam."
From Wikipedia's source, a NY Times article titled "Amsterdam Tries Upscale Fix for Red-Light District Crime": "'We’ve realized this is no longer about small-scale entrepreneurs, but that big crime organizations are involved here in trafficking women, drugs, killings and other criminal activities,' said Job Cohen, the mayor. 'We’re not banning prostitution, but we are cutting back on the whole circuit: the gambling halls, the pimps, the money laundering.' The mayor said the cleanup was possible because of tough new zoning codes. The national government has also given cities more leeway to revoke licenses."
The article was written in 2008. A decade has since passed and I wonder whether Amsterdam's efforts to address the related criminal activities have proven successful? Or whether the situation has worsened?
Does anyone have any more current, documented information?
Well do tell then what conclusion should we infer from the statement: It's also a fact due to women's biological clock, that men are somewhat less interested in stable monogamous relationships than women. and how the qualifier somewhat less as opposed to less changes the conclusion.
Really? I need to provide a definition of "somewhat" in a "Great Debate"?
Less = Absolute, Declaratory, Consistently Measurable, Permanent, & Always Below.*
Somewhat Less = inconsistency in those values.* Somewhat less, indicates a smaller deficiency than less, "usually or on average less" but does not preclude outliers. Less does preclude outliers.
"Facts of Life" The age range for men to father a child is considerably longer than the age range for women to bear a child, "on average" hence greater "time pressure" on women, whether single or married.
OP, testing workers does nothing to prevent the spread of untreatable STI's, like herpes. Not to mention: Covid, Hepatitis C, etc. etc.
They need to test the clients as they come in. the door, not the workers. It's the clients that are the problem.
But...whatever.
"Does Nothing" is absolute.
Three questions.
If testing workers "does nothing" what will be achieved by testing clients?
Are you suggesting that the clients typically have more sex than the service providers?
If clients were tested regularly would you support legalization?
I would support it being legalized. Having it be illegal has not stopped it, and everyone that works is selling some part of their body. With separation of church and state, and prostitution being a "moral" issue, I see no reason that it should be illegal. The thing is that the reason it is not legal in most places has more to do with the criminal elements that run the illegal prostitution business than with the moral objections. Big business for the criminal element.
I find the idea of prostitution totally disgusting and gross though. I do not believe that the majority of men are simply looking for sex when it comes to marriage, not in decades anyway, thus the "solution" for men to avoid marriage by making prostitution legal seems rather ridiculous to me.
I think it's true that men are less interested in stable, monogamous relationships than women are. A lot of that has to do with the lies they are told by society. There are a lot of lonely men out there, over 60, who never married and now it's too late for them to find the kind of partner they want. Most young women aren't going to marry an old man and play "nursemaid" to him in his old age. Nobody wants to sign up for that.
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