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Don't require it but if you're too stupid to get it (and no I'm not talking about the SMALL percentage of people who can't get vaccinated) you don't deserve a spot in the hospital. This goes for anything that can be prevented with a vaccine.
What about minors? Are you going to refuse to give them treatment, effectively punishing them for their parents' refusal?
Medical model is very one size fits all. So, I understand where people need to make individual decisions. But, not make ones that are fear based either. Get as many facts together and look at your individual risk assessment. Most vaccines are pretty safe, but some are not for certain people. Medicine doesn't look at that.
Almost every precaution against Covid so far has been fear based, including the word "mandatory". The vaccine will hopefully subdue that fear, however, I think there is a large percentage of us that aren't fearful of Covid and just don't want to get vaccinated. I don't get the flu shot, why should I get a covid shot? I have researched the facts and statistics and have determined the risk is minimal. I am not fearful of vaccines, needles or anything else in that category.
While it's true that the Chinese government has more latitude than the U.S. government in addressing a pandemic situation, I think that the Chinese people culturally tend to be more concerned with the community and willing to cooperate by making personal sacrifices for the good of the community:
“In China, you have a combination of a population that takes respiratory infections seriously and is willing to adopt non-pharmaceutical interventions, with a government that can put bigger constraints on individual freedoms than would be considered acceptable in most Western countries”, adds [Gregory Poland, director of the Vaccine Research Group at the Mayo Clinic]. “Commitment to the greater good is engrained in the culture; there is not the hyper-individualism that characterises parts of the USA, and has driven most of the resistance to the countermeasures against the coronavirus.”
Thank you. How old is the quote?
Also, I read it several times. It is a bunch of well rounded saying nothing phrases. Very typical of a "peer reviewed" article.
That said, I dare to repeat my question.
How is it that, world is walking on corpses in the streets, due to pandemic and, China, being 20% of the world population, does not? "latitude" as in - government simply told media to shut up on the topic and stop fearmongering, after internal political skirmishes between old Chinese elite and, prawling to get to the power komsomol leaders, were resolved? With most of that (military) action being done in Wuhan? Covered up with epidemic?
Or, China is covered with some sort of virus protecting force field? Or, they simply know how to treat it?
Somehow, I doubt, Americans are so much irresponsible - not to THAT extant of difference.
I mean, look at graphs. It's same planet.
PS. Out of curiosity. Taiwan - 24 000 000 population. 648 cases? SEVEN deaths? Being a swarm of people squeezed onto tiny land, rubbing shoulders day and night long? SEVEN?
I though would not call this an "anti-vax" movement, because it is the same terminology used to describe people who are against all vaccines.
This vaccine is new, it is for a virus that is new, uses a new technique, and there are zero medium and long term knowledge over the side effects, hell, they are not even certain how long the immunization is good for, and still have not figured out why people are getting infect more than once.
All of this rightfully so leads many people to be pretty wary of getting this injected into them. That does not make them an anti-vaxxer, that makes them wanting more information and studies and long term impact done so they can see and be comfortable with getting such a vaccine.
In light of the above, I would say "no", it should not be mandatory.
This ^^^^^^^^^^. I am not an anti-vaxxer, and I get the flu shot every year. But the COVID vax? Hell no. This was way too fast.
No I think it’s a individual choice. I have decided to get it because I am 66 and have asthma and HBP. Thankfully I am not overweight. I never get the flu vaccine but feel this is worse. I realize I am taking a chance and if I was younger my choice might be different.
I caught the flu last year for the first time in a decade. I hadn't even had a cold for almost 10 years prior to that.
I couldn't get out of bed for almost a week. I'd just sleep all day and I was drenched in sweat all the time. After I recovered, I had to go through it again a few weeks later, only I had a higher fever, and I was sick longer. I felt like dying.
Nearly everyone where I lived was going through it, much worse than things are now. Nothing shut down, no masks. No forcing people lose all of their livelihood and give up all of their rights like the road we're heading down now. When this started they were acting like this is going to be like the black death, that was supposed to justify the lockdowns and other hysteria.
Now we've all gone through this, we know that this isn't the back death, but we're debating mandatory vaccinations? And you can't travel or take part in society if you don't get one? We're really going down that road too over this thing? It amazes me how comfortable people are handing over every right they have over something that's no more dangerous than the common flu, the absolutely terrifying and enraging part is that we all get dragged through this horror show because of their naivety and complicity.
I'm not an anti-vaxxer, or whatever you want to smear me as to feel better about your asinine position on this matter, but no, I don't want a covid vaccine.
Thank you. Good Post. I was vaccine injured. The problem is nobody wants to admit a sickness was caused by vaccines, as for me I spent hours going from doctor to doctor to find out what was wrong with me. The band aids were all getting played out, until I did some herbal detoxing, and finally the poison was out of my system. After doing much research, I found articles a person like me with an auto-immune diseases should have never had a vaccine. You think the doctor who gave it to me would have realized that. Nope.
I am sorry you had to go through this. You were likely told it was "all in your head". That it was a coincidence. You were probably told it couldn't possibly be from a vaccine. I have heard it all.
In 1986 the law was passed granting vaccine manufacturers immunity from liability for vaccine injury. It also gave your doctor immunity from liability. What was left in a gray area; was teaching institutions. My mother was in her Immunology PhD program at the time when they instituted 'Plan A' for their med students. "Plan A' involved educating doctors that serious vaccine injury & death was a reality but telling them to never admit that to parents. You may have heard the 'urban legend' about the one med student who stopped the lecture in the auditorium by demanding "What if that were your child?" from the esteemed lecturer. The med student who was expelled for dissent. That actually happened; that was my mom. University of Northern Colorado; late 1980's. The lecturer had instructed them to never admit to vaccine injury & death.
You cannot have a successful conspiracy with thousands of people having to be "in on it". Enter Plan B; med students will not be educated about serious vaccine injury & death. The last med students who understood vaccine injury would be entering their 70s right now. Retiring. Doctors literally do not know.
Unfortunately back then I was in my early 20s & a new RN & was very provaccine. I did not listen to my mom. I argued with my mom. I didn't find out what happened to her at UNC until after she died. When my mom died in 2017 we followed her wishes; to be buried near my little girl who died in 1994 from her vaccines.
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Originally Posted by kitkatbar
I've already seen news stories where businesses are going to be requiring all their employees to get it. The one I saw this morning was a restaurant owner. I suspect the airlines and cruise industries may eventually restrict travel if you're not vaccinated. What if they also put in rules, say, in nursing homes and hospitals, that visitors had to show proof of vaccination to enter? Kids will likely eventually not being allowed into in-person school if they're not vaccinated, just like for other diseases. It could quickly become inconvenient not to be vaccinated.
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Originally Posted by RationalExpectations
For certain things, yes.
Off the top of my head,
If you wish to work in a restaurant, yes, you must be vaccinated - and tested for antibodies on a periodic basis.
If you wish to eat in a sit-down public restaurant, yes, you must have a current vaccination.
If you wish to work in retail where you come in contact with the public - say, a grocery store or big-box store, then yes, you must be vaccinated - and tested for antibodies on a periodic basis.
If you wish to be a customer by walking in to a retail establishment, yes, you must be vaccinated.
If you work in an environment where you come in contact with the public - say, hotels, resorts & casinos - yes, you must be vaccinated - and tested for antibodies on a periodic basis.
If you wish to fly commercial, yes, you must be vaccinated.
If you work in schools, yes, you must be vaccinated.
If you wish to attend public schools in person, yes, you must be vaccinated.
If you work for an airline, yes, you must be vaccinated.
If you work for a cruise ship, yes, you must be vaccinated.
If you wish to be a passenger on a cruise ship, yes, you must be vaccinated.
Etc.
When you travel to a third world country; do you demand the natives all have their vaccines before you arrive? Or do you just catch up your own travel vaccines & go travel? Get your vaccines to protect you. Don't worry about me.
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