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For anyone here interested: It was just announced on the news by New York's governor that New York State will open up Covid vaccine eligibility to everyone 65 and older as well as younger people who are immunocompromised. The vaccines should be given free, although there may be a small, reimbursable administration fee charged by the provider.
Earlier today, someone (who?) in the federal govt. urged the states to do that....
I'm also skeptical of people who go around ranting we have a population of dummies.
Perhaps we do. The question is who is more stupid, your dummies or my dummies?
Let me illustrate an example of human folly. Last year we had COVID explode on the scene and widespread shutdowns and edicts against public gatherings of people, work from home, closing of schools, closing of businesses and all that.
Then we had the explosion of the BLM protests following the George Floyd death in Minneapolis.
All of a sudden, the same people telling everyone to stay home and banning mass public gathering were simultaneously saying "except for BLM protests." Somehow it was ok for people to have mass protest in the middle of a pandemic.
The same people going around telling everyone we need to be guided by facts are very often the same people excusing the BLM mass protests as an exception to the social distancing and shutdown rules. But why? Didn't the facts say we must stay away from each other and socially distance and avoid mass gatherings? Didn't we want to, you know, save lives?
Then the other problem with facts is that facts do not have morals. Facts do not tell us what is right or wrong. Facts do not tell us we must shut down. It's public policy that does. So it's not clear what is meant when people claim to be guided by facts. The shutdowns lead to large scale job losses. That's a fact too. Was that right or wrong? Was having fewer people in hospitals better than greater job security and less economic loss? How do the facts tell us either way? They don't. It's policy that does.
Another great example of the abuse of facts versus policy is the shutdowns. Many people argue that facts justify shutdowns. So let's shut down. Did it work? Well, let's consider the current situation between two states, Florida and California. Florida has a much lighter shutdown, most schools are open, fewer people wear masks, and so forth. California is in the middle of a severe shutdown and has been shut down for some time now and schools have been closed and edicts requiring masks and distancing are quite strict. One would assume that Florida would have worse deaths and new case rates than California. But actually, Florida is doing better than California. Florida is slightly more than half the size of California, population-wise, but only a quarter of new cases. What about New York? Similar population to Florida, give or take a million or two. New York has a much stricter lockdown. But New York still has more daily new cases than Florida. What does that tell us? Who knows. But those are the facts.
Your example is even better than you intended because Florida has an older population with far more at-risk seniors. The BLM observation is correct. Double standard. And as far as covid dummies, the data clearly shows that less educated low income people reject vaccination at a much higher rate than higher level people with more education and income.
Again, lack of critical thinking skills. We really need philosophy and epistemology courses for all classes K-12 every year. People are dumb because they are being taught what to think rather than how to think.
Fauci agrees that the bureaucracy and the politicians are mucking up the works. Let's get capitalistic and get this thing done. Open enrollment. First-come, first-served, start stabbing people.
Fauci agrees that the bureaucracy and the politicians are mucking up the works. Let's get capitalistic and get this thing done. Open enrollment. First-come, first-served, start stabbing people.
I don't think Fauci said that. He was the one clamoring for mass lockdowns; at one point, he wanted wanted everything fully locked down until 2023. Now he wants to get the plandemic over with quickly?
Something doesn't add up! Fauci did a complete 180 here. He loved leftist politicians. Either George Soros stopped paying him under the table, or he got an electric shock when taking down his Christmas lights.
I don't think Fauci said that. He was the one clamoring for mass lockdowns; at one point, he wanted wanted everything fully locked down until 2023. Now he wants to get the plandemic over with quickly?
Something doesn't add up! Fauci did a complete 180 here. He loved leftist politicians. Either George Soros stopped paying him under the table, or he got an electric shock when taking down his Christmas lights.
Or he changed his mind. And it doesn't matter. He's now moved toward a more rational approach. Let's do that and forget the conspiracies that we have no evidence for.
I’d rather not wait, and I don’t think anyone is more entitled than anyone else. Herd immunity is achieved from immediate maximal vaccination. First come, first served, sign up online, get jabbed. Keep it simple. Politicians and bureaucrats are wasting time and killing people.
So you want the process to be akin to buying concert tickets?
I used to work with a guy who had his undergraduate in chemistry, and his masters in Public Health. I'm hoping that the folks in charge of planning this are at least as smart as he was, he was a very level-headed, logical guy, I always learned something whenever we ate lunch together. I'm pretty sure he would support prioritizing distribution of a limited commodity vaccine in a manner that maximized the good that came from it.
I don't have the figures, do you personally know that a significant portion of the vaccine is being wasted because it is being targeted toward certain groups? I've heard of a few doses going bad in media reports, but I'm talking about statistically relevant numbers here.
So you want the process to be akin to buying concert tickets?
I used to work with a guy who had his undergraduate in chemistry, and his masters in Public Health. I'm hoping that the folks in charge of planning this are at least as smart as he was, he was a very level-headed, logical guy, I always learned something whenever we ate lunch together. I'm pretty sure he would support prioritizing distribution of a limited commodity vaccine in a manner that maximized the good that came from it.
I don't have the figures, do you personally know that a significant portion of the vaccine is being wasted because it is being targeted toward certain groups? I've heard of a few doses going bad in media reports, but I'm talking about statistically relevant numbers here.
The evidence shows that the vaccine is being distributed in a haphazard way with each state bureaucracy in charge of designing a plan to put this group of people over that group of people, with “essential” workers defined differently depending upon where you are, etc. So, for example, phase 1A will contain these people, then phase 1B will start next. Meanwhile significant amounts of foolish people following yet other irrational politicians are rejecting vaccination due to conspiracy theories and unsubstantiated assertions and fear mongering. So the phase 1A starts. Some people don’t want to get vaccinated, so the distribution is inefficient. Now we have to move it so ewhere else, under all kinds of refrigerated schemes. Or, even best case scenario and everyone in phase 1A were to hypothetically be vaccinated in 1 week, well 2 weeks were allocated and phase 2B is scheduled for some future time. So the vaccine now sits until the 2B schedule kicks in, wasting time and killing people. And all of this madness multiplied by 50 incompetent bureaucracies.
This is failure by design.
It’s total crap. I want to see it distributed like concert tickets. Free concert tickets. National sign-up sheet online, large scale vaccination centers. First-come, first-served. Get the damned thing into bloodstreams. No life is more important than anyone else’s. Not first responders, not supermarket workers, nobody. We’re all supposed to be equal. The only exception might be those 65 and up, because hard data shows they die first and fastest. Beyond that, no favored groups. Not by race, not by income, not by gender, not by religion, not by occupation.
The point is speedy deployment. Let’s make believe it’s a public health emergency, not an entitlement. And you people have the nerve, the unmitigated gall, to throw away a free capitalist health care system for Medicaire-for-all??? Are you people nuts? (Not you personally, the idiot electorate).
It’s total crap. I want to see it distributed like concert tickets. Free concert tickets. National sign-up sheet online, large scale vaccination centers. First-come, first-served. Get the damned thing into bloodstreams. No life is more important than anyone else’s. Not first responders, not supermarket workers, nobody. We’re all supposed to be equal. The only exception might be those 65 and up, because hard data shows they die first and fastest. Beyond that, no favored groups. Not by race, not by income, not by gender, not by religion, not by occupation.
The point is speedy deployment. Let’s make believe it’s a public health emergency, not an entitlement. And you people have the nerve, the unmitigated gall, to throw away a free capitalist health care system for Medicaire-for-all??? Are you people nuts? (Not you personally, the idiot electorate).
That's a good belief. Heck, even He Who Shall Not Be Named, the poster boy for who you'd think would be anti-vaxxers, wanted the vaccine given to everyone 65+ ASAP. And that's how it should be. A 25-year-old EMT is still at lower risk of getting severely sick than a 65-year-old retiree. Distribute equitably, not equally: that's the bastion of conservatism.
I work in medical logistics, delivering equipment to hospitals. Which I'm grateful for; it pays quite well for a blue collar job. It puts me into phase 1B, on equal footing with seniors, and right after phase 1A, the healthcare workers. But I'd have no problem surrendering my spot to a elderly man or woman who's desperate for a social gathering. Because unlike me, a gathering could put them in real harm's way.
That's a good belief. Heck, even He Who Shall Not Be Named, the poster boy for who you'd think would be anti-vaxxers, wanted the vaccine given to everyone 65+ ASAP. And that's how it should be. A 25-year-old EMT is still at lower risk of getting severely sick than a 65-year-old retiree. Distribute equitably, not equally: that's the bastion of conservatism.
I work in medical logistics, delivering equipment to hospitals. Which I'm grateful for; it pays quite well for a blue collar job. It puts me into phase 1B, on equal footing with seniors, and right after phase 1A, the healthcare workers. But I'd have no problem surrendering my spot to a elderly man or woman who's desperate for a social gathering. Because unlike me, a gathering could put them in real harm's way.
I’m fine with individuals making rational decisions like this to delay vaccination for the good of people they feel have a more acute need. So on the national wait list, I’ll allow for a 65 checkbox which you can check off so that seniors can get a jump. Then you get called in first as soon as the seniors who want it have gotten it.
People rejecting this vaccine are going to be, in general, the dumber, less educated, lower income, and more mystically oriented among the population. So you’ll probably see poor saturation in the Bible Belt and among low level workers. So let’s stop wasting time and just get the online application up and start sticking the rational people who believe in evidence, data, science, and reality. We’ll get the job done by accelerating to the needed 70-95% vaccination rate. That will indirectly save the lower level people who are ruled by fear and superstition.
Quite the assumption there. Its clear that data can be interpreted differently as you and many others preach evidence, data, science, and reality, whereas those with opposing views of Covid also preach evidence, data, science, and reality. Its all in the eye of the beholder. The death rate is only around 1%, so at the end of the day, who is really being ruled by fear?
I work for the Govt and the vaccine has been authorized for us but it is not mandatory. Its not mandatory because as per our briefing yesterday; "The significant known and potential benefits and risks associated with the use of the product are unknown at this time. When taking the vaccine you will experience reactions that have been reported so far to include pain, redness, swelling at injection site, headache, muscle aches, and fever." Not everyone will experience the same reactions, but that was what we were told to expect.
Why would I subject myself to a vaccine that potentially exhibits all of the same side effects of Covid, and ultimately (as noted) may or not have any benefits? Without the vaccine, my chance of dying from Covid is minimal and there isnt a single person I know that has had Covid that has even experienced more than a headache or loss of taste/smell. Why bother with the vaccine at this time? Thats just an opinion from someone that does not fit your stereotype and I feel those rushing to get the vaccine are the same ones that feel superhuman simply because mandates are in place. I think the mandates and vaccine are currently a false sense of security and an excuse to blame others if they contract it.
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Now he wants to get the plandemic over with quickly?
Fauci did a complete 180 here. He loved leftist politicians. Either George Soros stopped paying him under the table, or he got an electric shock when taking down his Christmas lights.
