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I predict VW and Audi will lose so much money to their electrification that they will have to sell some brands or write down a lot of losses to restart their gas car assembly line again. Ford and GM losing billions to EVs right now is an indication of it. When you were built on gas power and you suddenly try to out compete Tesla you're not gonna make a better Tesla.
Because Tesla has so much experience in building EV's, Tesla has very solid EV powertrains. What they lack (compared to other carmakers that have building ICE cars for decades) is the build quality of the other stuff and innovation for the sake of being different. As a result, Teslas have poorly matching body panels, creaky interiors, and generally poor build quality. However, Tesla is aware of their build quality problem and recent Tesla EV's have improved build quality.
The EV's built by traditional carmakers have the opposite problem. They know how to build high quality interiors, suspensions, and brakes; but their powertrains are questionable. For example, the Porsche Taycan is a great handling EV with a beautiful interior, but a Porsche whistleblower recently claimed that 60% of Taycan batteries are defective.
Eventually, Tesla will perfect their build quality and move away from "innovations" that just don't work (steering yokes, no stalks, everything on a touch screen), while the traditional automakers will improve the reliability of their electric drivetrains and improve range.
Why is it that the world's experts fear using up earth's limited oil supply, but don't fear using up earth's limited Lithium supply.
We have centuries of oil left when you consider all of the shale deposits and the fact that you can even make oil/gas from coal.
What happens if we discover some critical, life saving, earth saving use for Lithium after we have used up most of the world's supply of it for EV batteries?
Just wondering.
PS - This assumes that oil is not a renewable resource, which may be if abiotic oil theory proves to be correct, whereby the earth just regularly "bleeds" new oil all the time from among the massive supply of the carbon in the earth's crust and core. Most of the carbon on earth is probably contained in the earth's outer core, just ready to be pumped to the surface as oil (theoretically).
I still do not understand how with all of the advancements in technology we can't figure out how to extract a useable form of Hydrogen from H20 and mix it with our current fuels on demand as needed without having to change our current infrastructure so drastically . Electrolysis is a known process and we should be able to create a useable clean burning form of Hydrogen on demand within our vehicles to mix with gasoline. I know someone who has a way to do it and I know someone who after 35 years says it cant be done. Some one should have figured this out by now !
The normal (and cheapest) method of producing hydrogen is using natural gas, coal or oil - the issue with this is that the byproduct is lots of C02 - like 6 times as much CO2 produced as H2 produced.
It takes a lot of power and is about 3x more expensive to break apart water into H and O2 than if produced from methane so electrolysis is not used much. On a submarine, they use the electrolysis method to generate oxygen for breathing when submerged but lots of power is available.
Why is it that the world's experts fear using up earth's limited oil supply, but don't fear using up earth's limited Lithium supply.
We have centuries of oil left when you consider all of the shale deposits and the fact that you can even make oil/gas from coal.
What happens if we discover some critical, life saving, earth saving use for Lithium after we have used up most of the world's supply of it for EV batteries?
Just wondering.
PS - This assumes that oil is not a renewable resource, which may be if abiotic oil theory proves to be correct, whereby the earth just regularly "bleeds" new oil all the time from among the massive supply of the carbon in the earth's crust and core. Most of the carbon on earth is probably contained in the earth's outer core, just ready to be pumped to the surface as oil (theoretically).
Lithium supply is not that limited, it is one of the most common elements on earth. Also lithium is reusable - it is not consumed by use in a battery - you can reuse it like most any metal. But even then, there are already rechargeable batteries that use sodium in place of lithium.
Why is it that the world's experts fear using up earth's limited oil supply, but don't fear using up earth's limited Lithium supply.
We have centuries of oil left when you consider all of the shale deposits and the fact that you can even make oil/gas from coal.
What happens if we discover some critical, life saving, earth saving use for Lithium after we have used up most of the world's supply of it for EV batteries?
Just wondering.
PS - This assumes that oil is not a renewable resource, which may be if abiotic oil theory proves to be correct, whereby the earth just regularly "bleeds" new oil all the time from among the massive supply of the carbon in the earth's crust and core. Most of the carbon on earth is probably contained in the earth's outer core, just ready to be pumped to the surface as oil (theoretically).
Lithium isn't that difficult but it's the other rare minerals used for the reaction inside the battery that is limited. Use of sodium would be better as it is more plentiful but let's not talk about supply only. The goal of EVs are to reduce net carbon footprint, pollution, and energy generation cost.
My argument is that none of that is cheaper as a whole unless a huge investment to spent to convert the energy to greener solution without a large net carbon footprint. It will take a lot of time and carbon energy to convert and there are different environmental damage to using BEV. For example, the disposal of lithium batteries will require more resources. The amount of resources necessary to generate electricity sufficiently to keep the grid powerful enough would be enormous.
Pumping oil into cars is simple, transport and keep the oil inside tanks. But to pump electricity into millions of cars requires a very powerful and potent grid. We don't have that kind of infrastructure right now and not even close.
Why is it that the world's experts fear using up earth's limited oil supply, but don't fear using up earth's limited Lithium supply.
We have centuries of oil left when you consider all of the shale deposits and the fact that you can even make oil/gas from coal.
What happens if we discover some critical, life saving, earth saving use for Lithium after we have used up most of the world's supply of it for EV batteries?
Just wondering.
PS - This assumes that oil is not a renewable resource, which may be if abiotic oil theory proves to be correct, whereby the earth just regularly "bleeds" new oil all the time from among the massive supply of the carbon in the earth's crust and core. Most of the carbon on earth is probably contained in the earth's outer core, just ready to be pumped to the surface as oil (theoretically).
Lithium isn't that difficult but it's the other rare minerals used for the reaction inside the battery that is limited. Use of sodium would be better as it is more plentiful but let's not talk about supply only. The goal of EVs are to reduce net carbon footprint, pollution, and energy generation cost.
My argument is that none of that is cheaper as a whole unless a huge investment to spent to convert the energy to greener solution without a large net carbon footprint. It will take a lot of time and carbon energy to convert and there are different environmental damage to using BEV. For example, the disposal of lithium batteries will require more resources. The amount of resources necessary to generate electricity sufficiently to keep the grid powerful enough would be enormous.
Pumping oil into cars is simple, transport and keep the oil inside tanks. But to pump electricity into millions of cars requires a very powerful and potent grid. We don't have that kind of infrastructure right now and not even close.
Can't people see that the real debate is on having an affluent society for many if not all, and not on mechanics? Fossil fuels have enabled the greatest prosperity known to humankind. A continuation of that is not what the climate change advocates want.
Going back to ancient Greek time, there was a philosopher named Epicuris, who believed (link to source) that was decidedly the opposite from Puritanism, for convenience called epicurean-ism. I did not think of any modern connections in thought, Indeed, I had thought that this line of thinking was recent, a response to post-War prosperity. It's as old as humanity and the hills.
I agree that EVs will not take over by 2035, but sales will continue to grow. Today, Bloomberg tells me that 38% of new car sales in China are EVs as of August 2023. The U.S. will catch up to that in due time. I'm looking forward to it. I'll drive our RAV4 hybrid until the U.S. market expands choices and starts to price competitively and then I'll have an EV.
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New stats in from Bloomberg on the percentage of new car sales being of the EV sort:
25% California
18% Washington
17% Oregon
15% Hawaii
14% Nevada
13% Colorado
13% New Jersey
11% Massachusetts
10% Maryland
10% Virginia
The list is only for states at 10% and above.
From my morning email from Bloomberg:
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Tesla, which is responsible for about 60% of EVs ever sold in the US, aims to reach a production rate of 250,000 Cybertrucks a year at some point in 2025. That’s six times more than all the electric pickups sold until now.
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How long did it take for the gas powered car to topple the Horse after it was invented? That’s about how long it will take for EVs to take over. It’s going to take a looong time, just like it always has.
There seems to be this rabid fixation or need for this take over to occur RIGHT NOW… by those who like EVs.
Lol, spin it all people want but there are so many EVs sitting on lots currently with huge price cuts...even Teslas.
When the 'gubment interferes with a free market it usually backfires! I could have told anyone that.
There is a humungous percentage of the USA population who wouldn't touch an electric car. Mainly because people are ICE enthusiasts, and the TV and liberals are trying to tell them they should be buying EVs.
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