BEVs will never take over by 2035 (gas price, Iran, wage, Stabenow)
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Assuming they have renewable generating capacity. But they don't. They've also largely abolished nuclear.
Any number of sources peg 70% as the amount of energy in France that comes from nuclear. IIRC some of the German nukes have closed, but those poor chaps switched to using Russian natural gas, a big OOOPS.
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As far as can be shown, electric vehicles cannot be produced and sold at a profit.
So far, the US has paid $1T in subsidies and tax incentives (LINK) for electric vehicles to be produced, and every quarter more subsidies are announced (LINK). That's not a sustainable model.
I've had a terrible time looking for an available charging spot thoroughout the town. Every time there's a free spot, it gets taken and I can't charge my EV. There's not enough done to alleviate public charging infrastructure. I doubt other people are as informed as I am using multiple apps to look for available spots. And the public should not have to do that in order to get their EV charged.
Don't worry, The Smart People are taking care of this. By 2035 or 2040 you should have plenty of chargers available.
Now, WORKING chargers, that's another matter. Why not just buy a Dodge Charger and be ahead of the game x2?
Don't worry, The Smart People are taking care of this. By 2035 or 2040 you should have plenty of chargers available.
Now, WORKING chargers, that's another matter. Why not just buy a Dodge Charger and be ahead of the game x2?
Are you catching what is going on?
The charging problems with EVs have become apparent. So EV owners turn to the government to solve their problem. Not the utilities who will make money, not the retail EV charging store - the government. The government has already subsidized their purchase, and now they want the government to mandate solutions to an obvious problem.
If EV cars are purchased in sufficient quantity the problem will be solved. There will be charging stations on every corner and you will be able to whip in a get your car charged. And you will pay. Really Pay!
In the end operating an EV will be just as expensive as operating an internal combustion vehicle.
Don't worry, The Smart People are taking care of this. By 2035 or 2040 you should have plenty of chargers available.
Now, WORKING chargers, that's another matter. Why not just buy a Dodge Charger and be ahead of the game x2?
Are you catching what is going on?
The charging problems with EVs have become apparent. So EV owners turn to the government to solve their problem. Not the utilities who will make money, not the retail EV charging store - the government. The government has already subsidized their purchase, and now they want the government to mandate solutions to an obvious problem.
If EV cars are purchased in sufficient quantity the problem will be solved. There will be charging stations on every corner and you will be able to whip in a get your car charged. And you will pay. Really Pay!
In the end operating an EV will be just as expensive as operating an internal combustion vehicle.
The objective of EV conversion is a soft lockdown for the population. First of all there is the cost element that Listener highlights. The government will, as is typical, tax EV charging to make up for the loss of gasoline tax revenue. In addition, in certain regions, such as downstate New York (which includes the NYC metropolitan area, has little renewable, i.e. wind and solar, generating capacity. In an act of economic sepukko New York just shut down the region's nuclear capacity. There is little vacant real estate for wind and solar. Governor Murphy of New Jersey's offshore wind project was terminated by its sponsor since it was uneconomic. As a result, the state can convert to BEV's with no net loss of greenhouse gases.
In addition, there will likely be insufficient generating capacity. Thus, if on a nice, hot weekend seemingly the entire region wants to take to the Jersey Shore or Jones Beach, there will not be enough power. Also, the government may decide to deliberately limit power availability, for "environmental" or "congestion" reasons. Or if there is another pandemic, limiting power is a way to enforce restrictions.
In a perfect world we build the dyson sphere around the earth and create a global energy grid and provide unlimited power to all of the earth people. That would never happen because there is no government and company that is willing to help build and provide clean free energy to all of humanity.
Are you catching what is going on?
The charging problems with EVs have become apparent. So EV owners turn to the government to solve their problem. Not the utilities who will make money, not the retail EV charging store - the government. The government has already subsidized their purchase, and now they want the government to mandate solutions to an obvious problem.
If EV cars are purchased in sufficient quantity the problem will be solved. There will be charging stations on every corner and you will be able to whip in a get your car charged. And you will pay. Really Pay!
In the end operating an EV will be just as expensive as operating an internal combustion vehicle.
The government (us) basically subsidized the railroad infrastructure in the 1800's. The government (us) basically subsidized the Interstate highway program in the 1950's and 1960's.
The government has been involved in many things that you may or may not want to realize.
As far as paying- REALLY PAYING! Well of course we're going to pay. We pay tax on the gas we purchase to fund those roads. We pay market rate on gas as dictated by OPEC. This should come as no surprise to anyone. If you think EV charging is going to cost exponentially more than what we already pay for the convenience of using infrastructure or petroleum- please provide some basis or logic for your assertion.
pay. We pay tax on the gas we purchase to fund those roads. We pay market rate on gas as dictated by OPEC. This should come as no surprise to anyone. If you think EV charging is going to cost exponentially more than what we already pay for the convenience of using infrastructure or petroleum- please provide some basis or logic for your assertion.
The kicker here is that we are getting ready to pay for a totally unnecessary overlay infrastructure. We have developed ICE's. We have developed EV's. Here we are getting ready to subsidize a technology that is less well adapted to the U.S. than what we have already. It works very poorly in very cold regions such as interior New England, the upper Midwest, the Rockies and Alaska. It is inherently unreliable for the reasons I highlighted in my post just above.
ICE's were developed as horses and bicycles did not meet the mobility needs of a growing nation in the late 1890's and early 1900's. The Interstate Highway System was developed to replace a patchwork of local roads, state and U.S. routes that were clogged with traffic. That system was designed to self-subsidize with "gas" taxes. As a New Yorker, I wonder why the rest of the country got for "free" what New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Massachusetts and Pennsylvania built largely at their own expense. Parenthetically these states have always been great at screwing themselves.
Basically the EV movement is an ideological, not practical move at best. At worst, in will cause or enable lockdowns, again s I explained above.
.............As far as paying- REALLY PAYING! Well of course we're going to pay. We pay tax on the gas we purchase to fund those roads. We pay market rate on gas as dictated by OPEC. This should come as no surprise to anyone. If you think EV charging is going to cost exponentially more than what we already pay for the convenience of using infrastructure or petroleum- please provide some basis or logic for your assertion.
You just said it yourself. "We pay tax on the gas we purchase to fund those roads." ....... "Those roads"are not going to just go away. They will still require funding and since funding from gas sales is gone, it will fall to EV owners to pay for it. Right now, EV owners are getting a free ride funded by gasoline purchasers, and EV manufacturers are getting a free ride funded by the US government.
EVs are today being purchased at artificially low prices. If buyers were forced to pay full cost, very few would be sold.
You just said it yourself. "We pay tax on the gas we purchase to fund those roads." ....... "Those roads"are not going to just go away. They will still require funding and since funding from gas sales is gone, it will fall to EV owners to pay for it. Right now, EV owners are getting a free ride funded by gasoline purchasers, and EV manufacturers are getting a free ride funded by the US government.
EVs are today being purchased at artificially low prices. If buyers were forced to pay full cost, very few would be sold.
People were and are buying EV's that don't meet the requirements for a tax credit. Ergo- full cost. I'm sure as EV adoption accelerates there will be a commensurate tax or even a toll for public infrastructure use.
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