BEVs will never take over by 2035 (Levin, retired, money, government)
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Sorry about the comments regarding NY State-forgot which forum I was on.
I'm a New Yorker and I agree with you. Our government is entirely dysfunctional, dedicated to what would be "Grade B-" grade school civics projects. The elected representatives are not representing their constituents. At best they are doing what they think is personally right.
“With the additional peakers unavailable, the bulk power transmission system will not be able to securely and reliably serve the forecasted demand in New York City,” the report says. The NYISO report says the peaker shutdowns are not the only factor that could spur outages. Increased demand from the electrification of vehicles and buildings is also placing strains on the grid.
One of the functions of government is to guarantee, as far as possible, the delivery of essential services. In my view as a voter and a constituent, the threat of "climate change" needs to take a back seat to government's essential functions. At the excellent panel led by Senator Shelley Mayer, Assembly Member Amy Paulin and County Executive George Latimer at the Scarsdale Public Library in May 2023, the point was made that we do not currently have adequate transmission facilities to deliver significant renewable power to our area of the state. It is crucial that people who cannot afford to flee to second homes have reasonably comfortable summers.
Understandably, there is a move to reduce or eliminate fossil fuel use. Fossil fuels have made much of our lifestyle and living standards possible. I appeal to all to request that their elected representatives—local, state and federal, use their efforts to make sure those are considered.
While CA is mandating that no gas powered vehicles to be sold by 2035 and only BEV (Battery powered Electric Vehicles) to be sold. But the harsh reality is that, car makers won't be able to meet the demand and the infrastructure won't even be close to providing the electrical grid necessary.
There's simply not enough minerals to produce that many batteries. That's the simple truth.
We don't have the manpower to setup the charging network at every parking spot. Look at how many solar panels on rooftops that's been installed the last 25 years. That's how long and how many charging spots will be available in 25 years.
It doesn't matter if everybody is given a free Tesla, it would be quite useless for majority of people who don't own a home nor close to a charging spot to connect regularly.
Go watch the documentary on cobalt mining and tell me why are we pushing for EVs when there's simply not enough minerals and workers to mine the precious minerals and humanitarian catastrophe to subject these miners at the worst possible conditions.
Are we really doing nature and people good with these mining operations?
The math already shows it's not possible to replace even 10% of current gas powered cars with electric.
That will only apply to brand-new vehicles. People can still bring used cars in from other states, or keep driving a previously-bought car for the next 10 or 20 years. So even if this goes into effect in 2035, there will still be a lot of gas cars until 2050 at the earliest. That's plenty of time for homewoners and apartment complexes to add charging stations, if they start now!
That's plenty of time for homewoners and apartment complexes to add charging stations, if they start now!
I lived in an apartment in Los Angeles, there is absolutely no way chargers would have worked there. Cars were all parked in tandem, everything was tight, and it just wouldn't work. And good luck getting greedly landlords to pay for all of that.
Newer buildings, okay. But there are thousands and thousands of apartment buildings that aren't new and aren't built for charger stations, and like I said, landlords ain't gonna pay to retrofit. That's just one city.
That will only apply to brand-new vehicles. People can still bring used cars in from other states, or keep driving a previously-bought car for the next 10 or 20 years. So even if this goes into effect in 2035, there will still be a lot of gas cars until 2050 at the earliest. That's plenty of time for homewoners and apartment complexes to add charging stations, if they start now!
On the surface, that sounds good. However, I seriously doubt that certain states will allow unlimited registration of out-of-state vehicles that do not comply with standards. Also, the number of gasoline filling stations will rapidly dwindle.
I would like more advocates of electric vehicles, other than anonymous posters, to explain better with their vision of the future looks like. It is possible that some have answers. However, the public should be able to evaluate whether that future is affordable.
I lived in an apartment in Los Angeles, there is absolutely no way chargers would have worked there. Cars were all parked in tandem, everything was tight, and it just wouldn't work. And good luck getting greedly landlords to pay for all of that.
Newer buildings, okay. But there are thousands and thousands of apartment buildings that aren't new and aren't built for charger stations, and like I said, landlords ain't gonna pay to retrofit. That's just one city.
When I was a civilian working for the Army, we had some very large projects, truth is there's not much about the Army that is small; you're buying boots for half a million soldiers, of all sizes, male and female feet, and you have to plan the design, construction, production, stockage, issuance, disposition and other aspects. And that's one of the smaller projects. POINT IS, we didn't eat the elephant in one bite. We "chunked it out" one bite at a time. The apartments will get chargers, eventually, probably the higher end places first as they want to attract and keep those residents who pay the highest rents. It will trickle down from there; tax incentives and/or rebates work wonders. It's going to happen. One chunk at a time.
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When I was a civilian working for the Army, we had some very large projects, truth is there's not much about the Army that is small; you're buying boots for half a million soldiers, of all sizes, male and female feet, and you have to plan the design, construction, production, stockage, issuance, disposition and other aspects. And that's one of the smaller projects. POINT IS, we didn't eat the elephant in one bite. We "chunked it out" one bite at a time. The apartments will get chargers, eventually, probably the higher end places first as they want to attract and keep those residents who pay the highest rents. It will trickle down from there; tax incentives and/or rebates work wonders. It's going to happen. One chunk at a time.
I just don't agree with this. Right now, EVs are stacked on lots. A lot less people are buying them than thought. I drive through the Mercedes lot once a week because the used car manager stocks exotics, they have a line of electric cars stacked with $12,500 discount stickers on them. I pay attention, they're the same ones. None of them are moving. Teslas are cult vehicles and I get that. Otherwise there aren't many EVs around here. I live in a pretty big city with LOTS of money, six figure cars, etc., Lambos, in areas.
Do you REALLY think private citizens (landlords) are going to pay for all of that? I wish I had pictures but chargers just flat wouldn't work, ever, in our old building. That's one of thousands.
I just don't agree with this. Right now, EVs are stacked on lots. A lot less people are buying them than thought. I drive through the Mercedes lot once a week because the used car manager stocks exotics, they have a line of electric cars stacked with $12,500 discount stickers on them. I pay attention, they're the same ones. None of them are moving. Teslas are cult vehicles and I get that. Otherwise there aren't many EVs around here. I live in a pretty big city with LOTS of money, six figure cars, etc., Lambos, in areas.
Do you REALLY think private citizens (landlords) are going to pay for all of that? I wish I had pictures but chargers just flat wouldn't work, ever, in our old building. That's one of thousands.
By the same token, home sales are down about 15% year over year. I blame higher interest rates for declines in home and EV sales. There is some concern over charging infrastructures, but IMO that will take care of itself over time, just as a lack of gasoline stations 100 years ago also worked itself out.
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I lived in an apartment in Los Angeles, there is absolutely no way chargers would have worked there. Cars were all parked in tandem, everything was tight, and it just wouldn't work. And good luck getting greedly landlords to pay for all of that.
Newer buildings, okay. But there are thousands and thousands of apartment buildings that aren't new and aren't built for charger stations, and like I said, landlords ain't gonna pay to retrofit. That's just one city.
In those cases, they may need to re-do the parking spaces within the lot, so that each space is larger but there are not as many spaces. In extreme super-dense areas, some of the demand will need to shift to public transit. In other areas, maybe the city could add some streetcurb charging spots.
Though it is hard to predict the future, I will say that one must be willing to accept creative and sometimes piecemeal solutions, rather than just throwing one's hands up in the air and declaring it to be impossible without even really trying!
On the surface, that sounds good. However, I seriously doubt that certain states will allow unlimited registration of out-of-state vehicles that do not comply with standards. Also, the number of gasoline filling stations will rapidly dwindle.
I would like more advocates of electric vehicles, other than anonymous posters, to explain better with their vision of the future looks like. It is possible that some have answers. However, the public should be able to evaluate whether that future is affordable.
Cars made before the cutoff year will probably be grandfathered in. And even if gas stations dwindle by 80% or 90%, there will be proportionally fewer gas cars, so each station will not be more crowded than it is today, on average. And of course everyone with a gas car will have an app on their phone to help them find a gas station. These are first-world problems.
By the same token, home sales are down about 15% year over year. I blame higher interest rates for declines in home and EV sales. There is some concern over charging infrastructures, but IMO that will take care of itself over time, just as a lack of gasoline stations 100 years ago also worked itself out.
Well, expensive vehicles (not EVs) are still selling like hotcakes...particularly gas guzzling BOF trucks and SUVs. Every other vehicle I see on the road is a new or year old Yukon Denali it seems.
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In those cases, they may need to re-do the parking spaces within the lot, so that each space is larger but there are not as many spaces. In extreme super-dense areas, some of the demand will need to shift to public transit. In other areas, maybe the city could add some streetcurb charging spots.
It would be a mess. Trust me. I lived there for two years and used that garage.
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Originally Posted by Mike from back east
Though it is hard to predict the future, I will say that one must be willing to accept creative and sometimes piecemeal solutions, rather than just throwing one's hands up in the air and declaring it to be impossible without even really trying!
Do you have any idea how much that would cost even if it were possible (it isn't) in my old garage? You think LA greedy landlords are gonna pay for that???
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Originally Posted by ncole1
Cars made before the cutoff year will probably be grandfathered in. And even if gas stations dwindle by 80% or 90%, there will be proportionally fewer gas cars, so each station will not be more crowded than it is today, on average. And of course everyone with a gas car will have an app on their phone to help them find a gas station. These are first-world problems.
That's not going to happen for a very, very, very long time. If ever at all. Doubt it will even happen at all.
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