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Originally Posted by Greatday The point is that only allowing legal law enforcement to carry guns would increase everyone's safety, while giving everyone the right to carry guns only increases the individual's but decreases that of everyone else in the gun's reach; especially when the gun owners aren't required to have basic training and about anyone can buy a gun regardless of their medical history.
your option would be good for the slaves of europe, but for the freedom loving people in the USA that is not a viable option.
the cops are not the best trained in the use of firearms and neither is the military. the civilian public is the best trained, as they have the time and money to go out and train themselves.
Originally Posted by Greatday LoL I guess you still believe that calling me a liar makes me a liar, right?
In that case all my countrymen are as much BOLD FACED LIARS as your countrymen are cowards for unwilling to concede to an International War Tribunal.
we dont need an international war tribunal because we do not ackowledge your ability to try american citizens for any crime at all.
you can take your european union and keep it for yourselves, we do not want any of the garbage here.
Originally Posted by Greatday Simply because it is voluntarily.
The fact that America doesn’t volunteer like other industrialised nations already says enough.
we dont volunteer because we dont recognize the IWT's authority to try amercian citizens.
Originally Posted by Greatday But have no problem ordering them around as if you owned them.
America has no problem with creating rules (like for the International War Tribunals) as long as they themselves don't have to abide by them.
It has everything to do with this thread; America doesn't trust others (like the UN) because Americans don't even trust their own government.
Another thing is the difference between the American government and the UN: the American people have no say over the UN, only over their own American government.
we as a people have plenty to say about the UN, and if we the people could get the federal goverment to listen, then maybe the USA would no longer be in the UN and the UN no longer in the USA.
One particular thing I would like to add to this debate is that gun rights are restricted even when gun regulations are forced to stay static over time. Technology changes: new weapons can be both more powerful and safer / less lethal. It's not as bad as being forced to use a computer from 30 years ago, but still - innovation of weapon technologies is a good thing. The government innovates its weapons all the time, but non-government interests are stuck in time. The philosophy behind the second amendment applies to nuclear submarines too!
One particular thing I would like to add to this debate is that gun rights are restricted even when gun regulations are forced to stay static over time. Technology changes: new weapons can be both more powerful and safer / less lethal. It's not as bad as being forced to use a computer from 30 years ago, but still - innovation of weapon technologies is a good thing. The government innovates its weapons all the time, but non-government interests are stuck in time. The philosophy behind the second amendment applies to nuclear submarines too!
If I'm not mistaken every newspaper has to report the news objectively, so the facts they print have to be true.
Wow! The things they teach or believe in Holland!
(To your point, TD, unfortunately, you ARE mistaken! (Often, actually...) A moment taken with the front pages of The LA times or The NY Times will convince any but the most stubborn observer that objectivity has flown out the window. And accordingly, by taking another brief moment on-line, you'd also learn that they are both in serious financial trouble as they lose readers like a dog loses fleas in a soapy bath!
Thoughtful American readers won't put up with a relentless web of bias and lies. Perhaps some Dutchmen will?
"A Man Who, in the Face of Undeniable Truth, Will Never Concede Anything is a Man Incapable of Reason!" ...rflmnâ„¢ 2008
you can take your European Union and keep it for yourselves, we do not want any of the garbage here.
Now now, monkeywrenching; they're simply having their own "go" at developing an actual adult mature working model of government. you know, like we have here! But so far there's too many cultural differences (for example: asking a Frenchman to sit down happily with a German, or an Englander to brunch light-heartedly with a Hollander? Nahhhh.)
Much of Europe was rebuilt with American dollars and "can-do" perspective. The honest intellectuals there continue to realize the value of our particular form of government, and wish like hell they could duplicate it there. Unfortunately there are some tight-minds over there who see only what they wish to about our open government, and who would bad-mouth their own mother as they covered her coffin over. Their foul-mouthed pronouncements only elucidate their lack of sophistication, experience or maturity.
See, we Yanks happily admit to (and even publish on the front pages of our biased newspapers...) any and all fleas, ticks and open sores we find on our Constitutionalized citizenry. Euros, in general, are far too arrogant (possible exceptions are the Brits, who, yes, DO" have a good sense of humor, maties!) to ever admit to any internal problems in their perfect little Napoleonic societies. Hence, every once in a while, they get all bent and have at it with Stukas, Walls, Rolling Tank Take-Overs, you name it.
Personally, I'll take our American open self-criticism any day, even if it brings the evil-wishers out of their dank caves to whine! And even if it creates some occasional violence as a cost of our freedoms. After all, alternately we could be forced to live like they do in Europe, eh?
So, again, mw, stay calm. You and I know better. This is all only for entertainment, right?
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Now now, monkeywrenching; they're simply having their own "go" at developing an actual adult mature working model of government. you know, like we have here! But so far there's too many cultural differences (for example: asking a Frenchman to sit down happily with a German, or an Englander to brunch light-heartedly with a Hollander? Nahhhh.)
Much of Europe was rebuilt with American dollars and "can-do" perspective. The honest intellectuals there continue to realize the value of our particular form of government, and wish like hell they could duplicate it there. Unfortunately there are some tight-minds over there who see only what they wish to about our open government, and who would bad-mouth their own mother as they covered her coffin over. Their foul-mouthed pronouncements only elucidate their lack of sophistication, experience or maturity.
See, we Yanks happily admit to (and even publish on the front pages of our biased newspapers...) any and all fleas, ticks and open sores we find on our Constitutionalized citizenry. Euros, in general, are far too arrogant (possible exceptions are the Brits, who, yes, DO" have a good sense of humor, maties!) to ever admit to any internal problems in their perfect little Napoleonic societies. Hence, every once in a while, they get all bent and have at it with Stukas, Walls, Rolling Tank Take-Overs, you name it.
Personally, I'll take our American open self-criticism any day, even if it brings the evil-wishers out of their dank caves to whine! And even if it creates some occasional violence as a cost of our freedoms. After all, alternately we could be forced to live like they do in Europe, eh?
So, again, mw, stay calm. You and I know better. This is all only for entertainment, right?
very true, if not for the almighty dollar and the american soldier, I fear that europe might be in fact a different place today.
If I'm not mistaken every newspaper has to report the news objectively, .
You are mistaken.
VERY mistaken
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The point is that only allowing legal law enforcement to carry guns would increase everyone's safety, while giving everyone the right to carry guns only increases the individual's but decreases that of everyone else in the gun's reach; especially when the gun owners aren't required to have basic training and about anyone can buy a gun regardless of their medical history.
LoL I guess you still believe that calling me a liar makes me a liar, right?
Simply because it is voluntarily.
Hee hee!
