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Amending the Constitution to eliminate one of the Bill of Rights is not a good move. Indeed, the first ten amendments to the Constitution of our Republic ought to be regarded as sacred and permanent, as they are the enumeration of the very basic individual liberties upon which our nation was founded. Liberty never becomes outdated.
The amount of gun deaths is a statistic I care not about. Because in the lack of the availability of firearms, the criminal element will simply select a different weapon for use in a crime.
Statistics like that are completely irrelevant in the United States, however, because regardless of what the statistics may say, they cannot change the fact that firearms ownership within the borders of the United States is a right guaranteed the individual by the Second Amendment of the Constitution, and affirmed recently as such by the Supreme Court in the case of District of Columbia v. Heller.
Individual rights are not subject to change based on statistics, and are not subject to removal because the paranoid are fearful. In fact, the presence of the Second Amendment was intended to make some people very fearful; fearful of the population that they have been elected to represent. The reason the right to bear arms is so important to this Republic is not simply for the individual's ability to defend himself against home invasion; not simply to defend his country from foreign invaders; but also, to defend the principles of the Republic from the blackguards that we elect. For even the founding fathers knew that people should not be trusted with political power. The Second Amendment was one last part of the constitutional system of checks and balances, by ensuring that the people have the ability to rebel should the government ever become as tyrannical as the British Empire.
Then do it again. That would at least be an honorable attempt at achieving the socialist goals you are working towards.
Why is it you instead try to simply go around the Constitution, ignore it & at one point go so far as to suggest your city's population isn't even protected by it because its not a state?
Why all the laws that blatantly fly in the face of common sense interpretations of the constitution?
Wanna know why Churchie?
Because it would be honest & up front & never happen. You can lie & manipulate the masses with propaganda to support unconstitutional legislation.
But you'll never get the people to back an amendment weakening the constitution. Never happen & thats why, at the end of the day, people will have their rights respected in your City. Get over it.
But you'll never get the people to back an amendment weakening the constitution.
How about them Patriots.....I mean that Patriot Act?
Or the near decision to consider waterboarding (read: torture) as a legitimate form of interrogation?
In Nazi Germany the Gestapo (Hitler’s secret police) already applied a form of the Patriot Act.; everyone who even seemed remotely anti-Hitler simply disappeared mysteriously.
And waterboarding would have been regarded as child’s play by the Nazis cause they did far worse.
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the post referred to illegal immigrants, no matter the origin. but that screws up your tangential, fabricational strategies, so please, continue.
No it doesn't because Greatday's post still keeps implying that crime in America is by and large a product of non-Americans (read: illegal aliens).
Originally Posted by Tin Knocker How about them Patriots.....I mean that Patriot Act?
Thats a good example of what I'm talking about Trickster. They know they could never get the people behind an ammendment achieving those goals so instead they incite panic & push thru illegal legislation that violates the rights they know they cant get changed.
Kinda like the way your country doesn't acknowledge that you have any inalienable rights at all but you guys still think your free because they dont say your not.
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Or the near decision to consider waterboarding (read: torture) as a legitimate form of interrogation?
In Nazi Germany the Gestapo (Hitler’s secret police) already applied a form of the Patriot Act.; everyone who even seemed remotely anti-Hitler simply disappeared mysteriously.
And waterboarding would have been regarded as child’s play by the Nazis cause they did far worse.
Irrelevant prattle. We are not talking about Hitler or the Nazi's, your former rulers. We are talking about the country without which you wouldn't be permitted to make believe you have liberty.
Kinda like the way your country doesn't acknowledge that you have any inalienable rights at all but you guys still think your free because they dont say your not.
You mean kinda like how America 'respects' the inalienable rights of their (foreign) prisoners in Guantanamo?
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We are not talking about Hitler or the Nazi's, your former rulers.
What we're talking about is the similarities between Nazi Germany and America now; both only act in the best interest of their nation. What you seem to forget ( or choose to ignore) is that all the Nazis during WWII were patriotic Germans who only acted in the best interest of their nation, no matter the consequences.
The line between a patriot (of any nationality) and a fascist (Nazi) is indeed very thin.
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We are talking about the country without which you wouldn't be permitted to make believe you have liberty.
LoL, it seems to me that you truly believe that America has brought freedom & democracy to Holland.
The Dutch were free the moment they defeated the Spaniards in the 80 year war*.
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*The Dutch Revolt, Eighty Years' War or the Revolt of the Netherlands (1568—1648), was the successful revolt of the Seventeen Provinces in the Low Countries against the Spanish Empire. It led to the coming into being of the independent Dutch state of (the Netherlands). The main leader was William of Orange, followed by several of his descendants and relations. This revolt was one of the first successful secessions in Europe, and led to one of the first European republics(that later turned into a kingdom).
Source: Dutch Revolt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Originally Posted by Tin Knocker No it doesn't because Greatday's post still keeps implying that crime in America is by and large a product of non-Americans (read: illegal aliens).
well, now you are changing your tune. at first you were accusing him of saying *all* crime was commited by illegals.
what he is saying is that illegal immigration cases problems, and since there are a bazillion evidences and expert testimonies out there showing that his position is correct, maybe he's not as deluded as you'd like to think.
either way, his premise was not what you claimed it was, that crime in general was caused by illegal immigrants, and that noneuropean immigrants are not illegal, and thus, not criminal.
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A major issue in the US Crime rate is the almost unbridled flow of illegal immigrants / immigration.
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Are you implying that only illegal immigrants commit crimes in America? Gee, I'm wondering who is living in La-La Land here.
greatday said that *a* major problem–as in one of them–was illegal immigration. it is a problem, no ifs, ands, or buts about it. you tried to make that mean that "only illegal immigrants commit crimes", which was an obvious fabrication (yes, another one, specialty of trickyd). he implied no such thing, and your extrapolation was nothing more than a desperate scramble for something to argue about. maybe you should try peace and diplomacy once in a while; perhaps then your example would shine bright enough to make your words mean something (who knows, maybe even the ignorant war-starting politicians over here might eventually take note).
greatday said that *a* major problem–as in one of them–was illegal immigration. it is a problem, no ifs, ands, or buts about it. you tried to make that mean that "only illegal immigrants commit crimes", which was an obvious fabrication (yes, another one, specialty of trickyd).
In my past experiences with Greatday I've learned a great deal about how Greatday's mind works.
Of course immigration is a 'problem', the influx of more people is always a problem (especially when they come from another culture) but trying to connect it to crime is a whole other matter.
This reeks of populist and / or racist thinking where people want easy and direct solutions to very complex problems that may take generations to solve.
Of course immigration is a 'problem', the influx of more people is always a problem (especially when they come from another culture) but trying to connect it to crime is a whole other matter.
This reeks of populist and / or racist thinking where people want easy and direct solutions to very complex problems that may take generations to solve.
Illegal Immigration has brought with it violence by way of the drug cartels along the border now coming into the United States - where law enforcement was actually "out gunned" by the cartels
Illegal Immigration has brought with it human smuggling and forcing young girls (some as young as 10) into prostitution.
Illegal Immigration has brought with it significant increases in violent home invasions - where the criminals kill the the homes residents ... "just because"
Illegal immigration includes criminals from all different backgrounds - including European, Asian, Hispanic. The West coast of the US has had extreme problems with gangs made up of Illegal Immigrants including MS13, Akrho Pinoy. On the east coast, off shoots of Solntsevskaya brotherhood made up of illegals has been terrorizing neighborhoods.
BTW TD - you know very little about the United States - that is a proven fact.
Illegal Immigration has brought with it violence by way of the drug cartels along the border now coming into the United States - where law enforcement was actually "out gunned" by the cartels
Yes well didn't your government made deals with these drug cartels during the cold war?
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Illegal immigration includes criminals from all different backgrounds - including European, Asian, Hispanic. The West coast of the US has had extreme problems with gangs made up of Illegal Immigrants including MS13, Akrho Pinoy. On the east coast, off shoots of Solntsevskaya brotherhood made up of illegals has been terrorizing neighborhoods.
What about the Irish Mob or the Italian mob and all the other gangs (like in the movie Gangs of NY). It just is a given that you will import crime whenever you import people.
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BTW TD - you know very little about the United States - that is a proven fact.
I never claimed otherwise.
It is a proven fact that you ignore lotsa tiny details in your American history.
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Never happen & thats why, at the end of the day, people will have their rights respected in your City. Get over it.
How about them Patriots.....I mean that Patriot Act?
No it doesn't because Greatday's post still keeps implying that crime in America is by and large a product of non-Americans (read: illegal aliens).
You mean kinda like how America 'respects' the inalienable rights of their (foreign) prisoners in Guantanamo?
What you seem to forget (
or choose to ignore) is that all the Nazis during WWII were patriotic Germans who only acted in the best interest of their nation, no matter the consequences.
