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i know how smart and observant they are. at least mine are.
but what exactly is "shoving it down your throat" ?
is it the mention of a "spouse" or "partner" ? because in that case then we should prohibit all people from talkin about their partners.
are they shoving it down your throat by explaining that not every one is heterosexual? and that gay people infact do exist?
in that case they should just say that people are born and then they grow up and die. forget about everything in between. who they love. who they make families with. forget all of that.
talking about homosexuality in school is like talking about heterosexuality. its a reality of life and has been the reality for thousands and thousands of years.
so not only are your kids learning about various sexualities, they are also learning about history! health and history.
or are you opposed to your children learning about differences? wouldnt that be intolerant and unaccpeting? how do your kids know what to accept or what not to accpet if they are not provided the oportunity?
oh thats right, you are the arbiter of what is educationally valuable....
you know the other day i heard my 8 y/o say the word "gay" to his younger brother who wouldnt leave him alone. he learned this at school i presume. and tho im sure he didnt learn it in a district sanctioned curriculum i took the opportunity as a learning point. we dont use words like that. they are hurtful and trashy. people who use those words are not very intelligent.
whats my point? that of all that my kids learn or pick up on hte streets and school, it is ultimately me who ensures they become honest, compassionate, respectful, accepting, NON JUDGMENTAL individuals.
its like learning about the civil rights movement with out learning about the KKK. you cant be selective about what your kids learn about todays society. if you want that, then home school them.
i am a very open and straight forward parent. i teach acceptance, not just tolerance. i just wish other parents did the same.
and i wish i knew what kid used that word[gay] as a derogatory term!
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They already have this class. It is usually a 300-400- level college class called Human Sexual Behavior. It is not appropriate for grade school.
It is also important to remember that there is a difference between teaching tolerance and acceptance. They are not the same.
The truth is, probably 95% of people don't really care what two consenting adults do. I am one of them. You love somebody of the same sex? Fine. But just do your thing and quit trying to preach to me about it. And when you decide to bypass me and go straight to my children via the school system, now you and I have a problem.
I have raised my children to be tolerant and accepting of our differences, mostly by not making an issue of it. If you make it a big issue, then kids will see that there is something unusual about it.
Kids are smarter and more observant than you think.
There is a curriculum that some schools use, I think "Welcoming Schools" that teaching kids to embrace gays, etc. I think it does cover some anti-bullyiing, which I understand, but why as there never been anti-bullying on short kids,kids with big nose, Christian kids, etc?
Some schools have even read stories about gays in KINDERGARTEN! Here are some links that tell about it:
Just wondering about your thoughts on this matter?
I am a straight, Christian, parent.
Teaching my children "gay is ok" is never going to be OK with me.
The gay agenda has gone far beyond a desire for acceptance or tolerance and you know it!
I want gay educators to know that there are "MANY PARENTS NOT ACCEPTING THIS" Your sexual preference is not my childs concern and my childs religion or philosophy is not your concern! In fact, stop thinking about sex while you're alone in a classroom with my child.
What are the gays trying to prove?
I teach my children "not to believe everything they hear in school"
regardless of the subject at hand. Be it Evolution, homosexuality etc.
I teach my children that it's ok to stand up in the class and question or disagree with the teacher. (they are entitled to freedom of speech) just like the gays are. They should never be punished because they question or disagree with anything.
You can't rely on this government run education system to teach "value" or "morals" to your children. Parents need to be aware of what is being taught. Parents need to talk with the children and teach the child themselves..
I'm sure I will get bashed for having my opinion on this matter. Well too bad. Not everyone feels like "GAY IS OK" It's not.
It's not a religion, a race, a handicap etc. IT DOES NOT BELONG IN OUR SCHOOLS!!..
I think it's crazy.
Allowing books that have "gay couples" in them is one thing, but forcing them upon the kids, and then arresting a father who opposes it is another thing entirely.
No, I don't think being "gay" is a choice people make (generally), but I do think that acting on that urge is wrong. Just like a lot of things are wrong. Just because I believe that's a sin, doesn't mean I think I'm less of a sinner. EVERYONE is a sinner. EVERYONE has done wrong, including myself. That's something nice about Christianity...everyone was made by God, and God loves everyone. He doesn't like sin, yet he loves everyone (and everyone sins) so much that he would sacrifice his son, a part of himself, so that even though we sin, if we accept him and ask for forgiveness, we can live forever in happiness with him =)
I'm not against "domestic partnership", just against calling it "marriage". Marriage is between a man and a woman. If two people of the same sex want a "contract" and to wear rings symbolizing it, go for it! Just don't call it marriage. If two people of the same sex love each other, and enter a marriage-like contract, and want to adopt kids, I think that's just fine, as long as they're not having sex.
Which brings me to the point that as long as the schools aren't teaching kids that sexual relationships between two people of the same sex are okay (it's not their place to decide for my child), or arresting parents who don't want their kids being given bags with books they object to in it, than go ahead. Including different kinds of families in books is okay, teaching them something against my morals is not.
TOLERANCE is great. There's nothing wrong with it. I'm all for tolerance. What I'm not for is what I said above, which I don't know if indeed is being taught, as I'm not in those classrooms. What I'm not for is parents being told their children MUST read a book against their religious beliefs or they'll be arrested.
Where exactly in the bible does it say that??? God hates SIN, not the people who commit them! God's son died on the cross and went to hell for 3 days so that those who sin can go to heaven if they accept his gift of LOVE.
To 'tolerate' something is not the same as saying 'I agree with it'. It simply says you do your thing at your house and we do our things at our own house.
Discussing it with kindergarten aged children is assinine.
Discussing it in middle school during sex education makes perfect sense.
*GAWKS*
In the third link, I was shocked to see that "King and King" was being read. THAT is going too far. Kissing, in my opinion, is acting on the "feeling"/"urge", which as I stated, I don't believe in. (here's the link: Children's book "King and King")
Also in a link in the third link: (Judge dismisses David Parker's federal civil rights lawsuit.)
"Think about that: Because same-sex marriage is “legal”, a federal judge has ruled that the schools now have a duty to portray homosexual relationships as normal to children, despite what parents think or believe!"
In 2006, in the elementary school where my daughter went to Kindergarten, the parents of a third-grader were forced to take their child out of school because a man undergoing a sex-change operation and cross-dressing was being brought into class to teach the children that there are now “different kinds of families.” School officials told the mother that her complaints to the principal were considered “inappropriate behavior.”
School libraries across the state, from elementary school to high school, now have shelves of books to normalize homosexual behavior and the lifestyle in the minds of kids, some of them quite explicit and even pornographic. Parents complaints are ignored or met with hostility.
Over the past year, homosexual groups have been using taxpayer money to distribute a large, slick hardcover book celebrating homosexual marriage titled “Courting Equality” into every school library in the state.
Porn in school- not unless it's biology class in middle school!
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The Commissioner of the Massachusetts Department of Public Health is “married” to another man. In 2007 he told a crowd of kids at a state-sponsored youth event that it’s “wonderful being gay” and he wants to make sure there’s enough HIV testing available for all of them.
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Citing “the right to marry” as one of the “important challenges” in a place where “it’s a great time to be gay”, the Massachusetts Department of Public Health helped produce The Little Black Book, Q ueer in the 21st Century, a hideous work of obscene pornography which was given to kids at Brookline High School on April 30, 2005. Among other things, it gives “tips” to boys on how to perform oral sex on other males, masturbate other males, and how to “safely” have someone urinate on you for sexual pleasure. It also included a directory of bars in Boston where young men meet for anonymous sex.
*Biggest gawk yet!*
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Businesses are often “tested” for tolerance by homosexual activists. Groups of homosexual activists often go into restaurants or bars and publicly kiss and fondle each other to test whether the establishment demonstrates sufficient “equality” — now that homosexual marriage is “legal”. In fact, more and more overt displays of homosexual affection are seen in public places across the state to reinforce "marriage equality".
*GASP* Okay, I'm staying away from Massachusetts! Possibly moving to another country!
Businesses are often “tested” for tolerance by homosexual activists. Groups of homosexual activists often go into restaurants or bars and publicly kiss and fondle each other to test whether the establishment demonstrates sufficient “equality” — now that homosexual marriage is “legal”. In fact, more and more overt displays of homosexual affection are seen in public places across the state to reinforce "marriage equality".
i dont agree with this i dont even agree with straight ppl who kiss and fondle in public i think it is pornographic and shoulnt be done in public where other ppl can see and shoul be baned from public places
just becouse gays can lobby the government doesnt mean i agree just like i dont agree with religion lobbying government
remeber guys, no one is born a bigot it is learned. usually from bigotted parents.
the best way to counter act hatred and intolerance is to teach acceptance and appreciation of our differences.
this sounds like a good idea (but sex ed should wait till 7th grade or whatever grade they start these days)
Is their any evidence that this approach actually works?
When you listen to the Rush Limbaugh program does that make you see the errors of your ways and make you suddenly want to be a Republican or does listening to Rush Limbaugh just make you even more entrenched in your pre-existing viewpoints?
I have never been convinced that presenting viewpoints that contradict your pre-existing viewpoints will actually broaden your mind or change your viewpoint. Instead I think it hardens your pre-existing position. Liberals don't become conservative by listening to Rush, they just get annoyed. Conservatives don't become liberal listening after watching a Micheal Moore movie, they just get angry.
I would much rather see schools stick to teaching basic skills like math and writing rather trying to turn the schools into some sort of indoctrination system. I really don't think political indoctrination will work, but I think it will take away from the reason we have schools to teach people to read, write and learn basic math skills.
Why does the generation that grew up listening to Pink Floyd's The Wall, once again want to reimpose it?
but what exactly is "shoving it down your throat" ?
talking about homosexuality in school is like talking about heterosexuality. its a reality of life and has been the reality for thousands and thousands of years.
or are you opposed to your children learning about differences? wouldnt that be intolerant and unaccpeting? how do your kids know what to accept or what not to accpet if they are not provided the oportunity?
oh thats right, you are the arbiter of what is educationally valuable....
whats my point? that of all that my kids learn or pick up on hte streets and school, it is ultimately me who ensures they become honest, compassionate, respectful, accepting, NON JUDGMENTAL individuals.
i am a very open and straight forward parent. i teach acceptance, not just tolerance. i just wish other parents did the same.
Did you actually read my post? I have reread it and I can't find anywhere where I even remotely mentioned or implied "shoving it down your throat." Didn't I say that I have raised my children to be both tolerant and accepting? It is not required that we be accepting of everything, as long as we are tolerant, we can get along. I don't believe that that kind of "anything goes" attitude is helpful to our society as a whole.
I believe it is not age appropriate to introduce this topic to young children. Children will let you know when they are ready, at least mine do, by asking questions. It is my answers to these questions that is the crucial part. Schools, especially public ones, really should stick to teaching children the informational and analytic skills they need to survive. They are failing badly enough at that. Social mores are much more appropriately taught at home.
As for being "non-judgemental," that is a farce. We live and die by the judgements we make every day. If you want to teach kids not to make hasty or unreasonable judgements, that is reality.
And yes, I AM the arbiter of what is educationally appropriate for my children.
Christianity is on it's way out anyways. If you've been to a church you will notice very few people in their twenties and teens attend.
Christianity will come to a near end when the older generation of people start passing away along with their hateful and evil beliefs. Hopefully the beliefs of evil won't be handed down to too many folks.
There is a curriculum that some schools use, I think "Welcoming Schools" that teaching kids to embrace gays, etc. I think it does cover some anti-bullyiing, which I understand, but why as there never been anti-bullying on short kids,kids with big nose, Christian kids, etc?
Some schools have even read stories about gays in KINDERGARTEN! Here are some links that tell about it:
Just wondering about your thoughts on this matter?
teaching about homosexuals should be left to the parents and not the state. all the state need to do is make sure a child is able to make it in life after HS, not make sure they are politically correct.
We do pass our genes on but there are changes (or abnormalities) that can occur in utero to the developing fetus' genes. Meaning those changes do not exist in the genes of the parents but the mishap does exist in the fetus. Environmental factors (among others) can cause gene mutations...simple proteins can be misplaced on the DNA...
I don't think there is a 'gay gene'...maybe an abnormal or misplaced simple protein on the DNA of a person...
Thank you for explaining that better than I could... I am a complete moron when it comes to science, but I do grasp the concept of genetic vs. inherited - which so many people confuse in this "nature vs. nurture" debate.
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I am a complete moron when it comes to science, but I do grasp the concept of genetic vs. inherited - which so many people confuse in this "nature vs. nurture" debate.