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Old 06-26-2009, 04:15 PM
 
Location: Wherever women are
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Does anybody want to take a side on Iran?
I'll take Ahmedinejad's side.

He's a useful idiot and can be better manipulated for the best results.

Absence of useful idiots potentially endanger and even propel the extinction of spheres of influence.
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Old 06-26-2009, 04:20 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Just send them the guns and ammo.They'll figure who to eliminate!!
You mean instead of bras and golf carts?

US exports to Iran have risen dramatically during George Bush's years in office in spite of his tough rhetoric against Tehran and the imposition of fresh economic sanctions.

Analysis of US government trade figures published yesterday by Associated Press revealed a near tenfold increase in US sales to Iran over the past seven years. Goods included cigarettes, aircraft spare parts, bras, musical instruments, films, sculpture, fur, golf carts and snowmobiles. Although the sums involved are small, the disclosure is a political embarrassment for the US, coming at a time when it has been putting pressure on European governments, banks and companies to cut ties with Tehran.


Iran trade: White House's hostile rhetoric fails to stem flow of exports to regime under sanctions | World news | The Guardian
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Old 06-26-2009, 04:47 PM
 
Location: Norwood, MN
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It's like one group is very oppressive and the other moderately oppressive.

However, this is going to change over the next 20 years as the kids today are learning about freedom & education and he predicts the current garbage is going to slowly but surely change.
I THINK IT WILL BE THE OTHER WAY AROUND. The autocracy will strike with a thorough and bloody putdown of the discord, and the people will be cowed into subservience, like the Russians were under Stalin.
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Old 06-26-2009, 05:32 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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I THINK IT WILL BE THE OTHER WAY AROUND. The autocracy will strike with a thorough and bloody putdown of the discord, and the people will be cowed into subservience, like the Russians were under Stalin.
They already know what that is like. The Americans put the Shah there to do that. Iranians know what it is like to risk the arbitrary brutality of the secret police, and try to bring about eventual civil rights and freedom, which they have had since the Shah was thrown out. They already know what it like when the CIA comes in and "fixes" things in their country. At least, those who survived the fix.
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Old 06-26-2009, 05:37 PM
 
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Isay that we should voise loudly our suport for the Iraina who want chnge . That is waht we did with teh eastern block countries and it ceetqainly helpoed i poland and the like. No one wants to think the world does care. We shouold speakup for what we beieve and not keep our eyes and mouht shut as so ogten in the past people have done.
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Old 06-26-2009, 08:54 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Voicing our support has about as much influence as putting your baseball cap on upside down to start a rally.
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Old 06-27-2009, 05:01 PM
 
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At this point, it is anyone's game. I read a human interest story of an Ahmadinejad supporter and his family. They had voted for him because they felt Moussavi was too liberal and was too far away from the revolution. The article also stated that this particular family became upset over the basij. Again, human interest story not representative of the whole.

There is no reason for us not to suspect that we have not been raising hell in Iran for sometime prior to now. There is no reason not to suspect that other nation-states have not been doing the same thing. I have read that Israel wants a more hard-line approach taken.

Ahmadinejad is a Vet of the Iraq-Iran war, he has every reason to be a bit paranoid. That wasn't pretty.
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Old 06-27-2009, 05:23 PM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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Iran will work out its own solutions. We have no business interfering with them. It is an educated society for the most part and the Akhonds (revered mullahs) are smart enough to declare that nuclear weapons are "unIslamic." It really does not matter who is in charge. Things will unravel and reknit as they always have in Persia.

It's a Shia country. It does not have the problems of Sunni vs. Shia that Iraq has. Again, I say that we have no business messing with Iran. It's a huge country and has a well trained military. Our military is stretched too thin as it is with two war zones to deal with.

I have never believed that Iran was a viable threat to us. It IS a threat to Israel but I don't think it will follow through with an attack on Israel because it will bring us down on them in a big way.


Iran is not a real threat to Israel. Israel has an estimated 200 advanced design stategic and tactical nuclear weapons and the rockets to place them anywhere in the middle east or Europe including all of Iran. This gives Israel as big a nuclear deterent as France, Britain or China. Israel launches its own spacecraft and has reconissance satellites of its own. Israel uses our GPS and maybe even Russias GLONASS to ensure pinpoint accuracy. Israel has had working nuclear weapons since the late 1960s. Israel could annihilate Iran with as few as a dozen of its thermonuclear weapons. Knowing this, it is obvious why Iran wants a nuclear deterence.
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Old 06-27-2009, 05:30 PM
 
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Too, the Shiite in Iran are considered vastly different version then other Shia.
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Old 06-27-2009, 06:07 PM
 
Location: Orlando, Florida
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This is probably a totally Politically Incorrect statement......but sometimes I wonder if ALL of the mid east would ever be happy with peace. It's as though they survive only through discontent. Maybe the old saying that people are happier with a common enemy is true in this area. If there isn't a problem, they seem to create one. It's like street gangs who want control for no other reason other than causing friction because they are bored.
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