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Old 06-30-2009, 06:31 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Language has been evolving since day one. English is no different.
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That is, of course, true. However, when a language "evolves" so rapidly that one generation can no longer communicate intelligibly with another, that is not the normal evolution of language, but a superimposition of an new artificial language upon another. It is not so much a linguistic phenomenon, but rather a social one, in which one generation chooses to set itself apart from another, partly for the purpose of showing contempt for and superiority over the culture of the people speaking the old language. Not only does the newer generation refuse to speak or even understand the language of the older generation, but increasingly refuses to communicate with them at all, or even make eye-contact with them in public places.

Paradoxically, just as formal English seems poised to become the universal language of humankind, the Americans are on the brink of abandoning it. We will be non-compliant in both language and weights and measures.

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Old 06-30-2009, 06:54 PM
 
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As far as I am concerned, language changes all the time. Nothing stays the same. All that matters is being well educated, as long as everybody understands each other I do not see a problem.
Agreed, but therein lies the problem; it seems to be changing too quickly; rapidly becoming incomprehensible by many and is relentlessly depersonalizing..."that" is frequently used instead of "who", for example.

Maybe it's just me who is having scary visions of an Orwellian world.
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Old 06-30-2009, 06:55 PM
 
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Stuff that makes me groan:

"Caregiver". Suddenly, we realized we can't "take" "care" of someone or something...we must give care to it.

"Went missing". What happened to the word "disappeared"?

"Chair" of a committee, etc. Now, we must become a stick of furniture rather than refer to someone as a chairman. I'm sure Chair Mao is rolling in his grave.

Lastly...."Green" I am so sick of this word there are no words to describe the ill feeling it gives me to read or hear it. It is ruined forever.
Me too. My favorite color is green, but I'm really sick of the "Go Green" crap.

Another term that drives me nuts is using the word "space" for a room. People say, "Oh, I just love what you did with the "space". Aaaargh, just say you like the damned living room!
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Old 06-30-2009, 06:59 PM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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"Went missing". What happened to the word "disappeared"?
I don't generally get worked up over dialects or 'strange new terms' for things... but I must admit this one makes me want to punch someone when I hear it on the news. Went missing? I went to the store. I went to bed. I went outside. Where the hell is missing? Is that a place you go? Is that the same place your socks go when you can't find them in the drier?

Makes about as much sense as the double negative ir-regard-less. Just use this: regardful. It sounds just about as silly. So--I'm regardful of your opinion, but I'm still not going to use the quasi-word irregardless. That's right, Antinondisirregardless of what you think, pal!

Oh well.

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Old 06-30-2009, 07:11 PM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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Paradoxically, just as formal English seems poised to become the universal language of humankind, the Americans are on the brink of abandoning it. We will be non-compliant in both language and weights and measures.
Yes, and I shudder to think of what that language might become in light of the abomination that we use for a measurement system...
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Old 06-30-2009, 07:31 PM
 
Location: Chicago- Lawrence and Kedzie/Maywood
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All languages evolve.
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Old 06-30-2009, 08:33 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Language is changing, it does throughout time. Nothing wrong with just changes. However, it doesn't mean you have to be speaking in the slang in the office. You speak or write the most formal and proper when in business, no matter what it might be at the time...if you talk slang at work don't expect to stay long. Different language for different arenas.

I know I have seen applicants that have opened their mouths and got themselves disqualified using either terrible English or (once) offensive swearing.
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Old 06-30-2009, 08:43 PM
 
Location: in here, out there
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People keep saying 'language changes', but part of the problem is sporscasters who are hired without regard to their ability to speak well. So many stupid sportsfans (males) learn how to speak by watching ESPN. They end up copying and validating the common errors that are constantly repeated, like:
Jason Kidd can't miss anything; he's unconscious!

The Suns need to trade for a player like a Kobe Bryant.
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Old 06-30-2009, 08:53 PM
 
Location: Houston, Texas
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When I was in high school in the 80's some kids (usually low income kids) would address the teachers as "Miss". Not Mrs. Jones, but "Miss". That was really tacky. I never knew why they thought it was cool.
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Old 07-01-2009, 10:18 AM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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There has always been slang used in our language, but it does seem out of bounds today. There is a LOT of that 'hip hop' speak in almost ALL young peoples speech today. Yo, dawg, wat da 411 etc. Lol, and I thought that use of the word 'dude' was bad. To my upbringing a 'dude' was a non riding, non shootin' dandy from back east. Thus the term "Dude Ranch' that caters to city folks that want to learn about horses and ranch life. I guess I'm a paleontological piece of work as far as language. My teachers from my school years (most of them are long gone) would be apalled at the language young folks use today. LMAO, we used to get scathing reprimands for using 'ain't'. Now , ain't that sumpin........
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