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Old 07-22-2009, 08:23 AM
 
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I believe we forfeit that right when we expect the government to foot the bill for those children.



Yes, instead of tax insentives for additional children implement tax incentives for fewer children.
Change the anchor baby laws to reduce illegal immigrants from reproducing.
Mandatory sex education and available (free) birth control in the public school system.
Keep abortion legal.
Reduce government assistance for additional children.
Revamp the foster care and adoption system.
For the US, this is the right path to take. For other countries with more extreme problems, different political and cultural systems, and different levels of development, the solutions may be different. For China, there are an abundance of negatives for their program, but I believe, and the vast majority of Chinese agree, that the positives outweigh the negatives.
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Old 07-22-2009, 09:10 AM
 
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The elephant in the room is that highly developed countries have shrinking populations, if you eliminate immigration. Simply put, more educated people *as a group* have fewer kids than those who are not.

The reasons for this are up for debate. High on my list is that for many people the joys of consumerism and living an easy life are greater than the privations they perceive that would occur if they had kids or an excessive number of kids.

GregW had it right. Ultimately, war, plague, natural disasters and starvation will make an extreme control that is beyond the capability of any government.
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Old 07-22-2009, 09:15 AM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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Oh yeah, and that's another issue. Stop giving tax breaks for overbreeding. If anything, the burden should be higher. As it is, I'm penalized for not having any children. That's bunk. You have the kids, you pay for them. That's a good first step.
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Old 07-22-2009, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Oh yeah, and that's another issue. Stop giving tax breaks for overbreeding. If anything, the burden should be higher. As it is, I'm penalized for not having any children. That's bunk. You have the kids, you pay for them. That's a good first step.
Given that we have already created a national and cultural ethic that the only possible incentive or disincentive is monetary.

The decisions of familyhood are purely economic. Given the option of more children or less, take the one that yields the greatest amount of cash. Nothing else counts. Now that we have an absolute autocracy, in which human social behavior can be bought and sold with money, the masses can be manipulated any way that suits the controllers of the exchequer.
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Old 07-22-2009, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Ocean Shores, WA
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Nobody should be allowed to breed without a license.

Obtaining a breeding license would require DNA and genetic testing as well as extensive research into the applicant's family history to decrease the number of potential defectives that pollute the gene pool.

Applicants would also have to meet certain intelligence, educational, and financial criteria.

Ethnic and national origin would also be a factor.

Breeders caught without a license would have their spawn aborted and be sterilized.
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Old 07-22-2009, 10:41 AM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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Nobody should be allowed to breed without a license.

Obtaining a breeding license would require DNA and genetic testing as well as extensive research into the applicant's family history to decrease the number of potential defectives that pollute the gene pool.

Applicants would also have to meet certain intelligence, educational, and financial criteria.

Ethnic and national origin would also be a factor.

Breeders caught without a license would have their spawn aborted and be sterilized.

In the near future a young man named Vincent was born to a couple who had him even though medical tests showed he would have a higher than normal tendency to heart disease. He became an invalid which barred him from being anything other than a menial worker. Vincent's life is the subject of a movie with Ethan Hawk as Vincent called GATTACA. The word GATTACA is based on the 4 basic amino acids that make up DNA (GTAC).
No matter how we dress it up, your post is nothing more than a high tech version of eugenics. Eugenics was the intellectual foundation of the Holocaust.
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Old 07-22-2009, 10:49 AM
 
Location: I think my user name clarifies that.
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The people that are FOR population control should have the integrity to all go commit suicide. They'd be providing a partial answer to the dilemma they raise.
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Old 07-22-2009, 11:22 AM
 
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Nobody should be allowed to breed without a license.

Obtaining a breeding license would require DNA and genetic testing as well as extensive research into the applicant's family history to decrease the number of potential defectives that pollute the gene pool.

Applicants would also have to meet certain intelligence, educational, and financial criteria.

Ethnic and national origin would also be a factor.

Breeders caught without a license would have their spawn aborted and be sterilized.
Why do people always have to look at an issue so black and white. Of course this is a joke post, but it displays the fears people really have about any strong gov't policy in this country. You can address an issue without going down the slippery slope of absolute totalitarianism.
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Old 07-22-2009, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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No matter how we dress it up, your post is nothing more than a high tech version of eugenics. Eugenics was the intellectual foundation of the Holocaust.
No matter how we dress it up, Amtrak is nothing more than a high-tech version of the Reichsbahn. The Reichsbahn was the transportational foundation of the Holocaust.

Create railroads, and sure enough, some day some madman will use them to transport millions to death camps. We must defend ourselves from such a future by nippping railroads in the bud.
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Old 07-22-2009, 11:56 AM
 
Location: I think my user name clarifies that.
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No matter how we dress it up, Amtrak is nothing more than a high-tech version of the Reichsbahn. The Reichsbahn was the transportational foundation of the Holocaust.

Create railroads, and sure enough, some day some madman will use them to transport millions to death camps. We must defend ourselves from such a future by nippping railroads in the bud.
That's ridiculous, and the comparison isn't even within the realm of being the same ballpark.

Population control has everything to do with Eugenics.
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