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Sexual behaviour is a choice. You can do it, or you can not do it. Just becasue someone has certain sexual feelings does not mean that they have to choose to act on them. You can pursue romantic relationships with men or women, or you can chose not to pursue romantic relationships at all. Lots of people make that choice. I do not condemn someone for choosing to act on their feelings as long as the act is consensual, and not pressured. However their action is a choice. Every single time it is a choice.
One of the most disgusting asepcts of current society trends ois to try to take away responsibility for actions. "This poor person did not have a choice he was made that way." Sorry, every single thing you do is a choice.
I was definitely made with a propensity to stay home never get out of bed and just read all day. But I choose not to do that. I have to make that choice every day.
While on the surface your comments of "choice" sound reasonable, when one truely reads what you wright, one sees someone who purposely remains ignorant on the matter.
Is sexuality a "choice"? Certainly.
Is the gender one is attracted to a "choice"? No, it is not.
To attempt to force, or even urge, someone to live against their very nature is simply inexcusable.
We live in a world of variables. He having his peer review is like all the cigarette companies hiring their own doctors and scientists claiming their own perverted version of peer review for their poltical economic agendas. I actually did look up those studies, and found that many others since then have come to similiar conclusions about our environment since those early reports and yes I've just ordered that book that was mentioned. Homosexual behavior in nature is not a natural occurance, it's a perversion of those organism's genetics, and oh yeah, Yay Science, on that one. On a funny note, it's a bit strange that a fire and brimstone damnation Crister would be siding with the opposition. Are'nt Gays all going to hell or something? Oh that's right, you're an open minded Crister.
I'm a Christer? Think whatever you want, I haven't been to a church since 1999, unless you count funerals.
Anyway,
Show us the evidence you're talking about, I'd love to see it.
It happens. I know of several examples. One of the more interesting examples being my high school sweetheart who later became a lesbian. She lived for decades in a lesbian relaionship. She was one of the most well known gay rights leaders in a certain area. She often touted the argument that gays are genetically gay. Later she de-lesbianized and married a guy. As far as I know, she is still happily married. She is still a gay rights activist, but she is very quiet about the fact that she is no longer gay.
I think that it is funny how people who have their mind locked around a model on this issue will simply dismiss examples that are contrary to their model. They say things like "Well that person as obviously bi-sexual and only thought that they were not" or "They are really still gay and just do not realize it" Of course the person making those statments would know far better about a person whom they never met who says that they are no longer gay, than the person making the statement would know about themselves. That is utterly bizzarre. They simply assume that if the person does not fit the model, then it is the person, not the model that is incorrect. It is amsusing to me when people are so singleminded.
The bottom line is that like evey generalization about humans, a model simply cannot work becuase we are all so different and incredibly complicated.
The same is true when people form a model in their mind about what all reubpicans, or all Democrats, or all liberal or all conservatives, or all Christians, or all blacks, or all Whites. . . . etc etc. . . No model of this sort is ever valid. Thus is is equally as absurd to say that all Gays were born that way, as it is to say that all Republicans are right wing Christina extremeists, or all Democrats are uneducated or power hungry and corrupt; or whatever other model soeone wants to apply to all persons of any group or classifications. It is simply not valid. I know that I cannot be compeltely classified in any manner with all of any group. I have at least some different motivations, positions, beliefs desires, etc than every person in any group. That is true of every single person that I know. Generalizations and models applied to people are invalid and are the basis for intolerance, prejudice, hatred, and loads of foolish assumptions and misconceptions.
There was a study out in Germany a few weeks back that showed that almost 75% of all women have sex with men, not for pleasure, but for various reasons, and one of the main ones was because of the wish to have a family. I'd be willing to bet your ex fits into that category. I'd also be willing to bet she is out there with a few of her ex lady freinds on the side from hubby to.
There was a study out in Germany a few weeks back that showed that almost 75% of all women have sex with men, not for pleasure, but for various reasons, and one of the main ones was because of the wish to have a family. I'd be willing to bet your ex fits into that category. I'd also be willing to bet she is out there with a few of her ex lady freinds on the side from hubby to.
Thanks so much for sharing that little cameo into your psyche.
All this focus on SEX, on "doing it." So gay people are allowed to feel attracted to the same sex, but should choose not to act on it? Why not say the same for straight people? All this focus on what part goes into what other part and the gender of the part owners.
Yes, as a straight woman, I find the descriptions of urban fast-lane gay men's activities (especially pre-AIDS) distasteful, as in, I wouldn't want to live that way. It's like using a stranger's fork or something. However, it really isn't my business. For that matter, then I should find gay women the height of non-messy committed behavior. Old joke: "What does a lesbian bring on a second date? "A U-Haul."
I bet most gay people have a lot less sex in their lives than the people who are so concerned about their sex lives have in their minds.
Firstly, feel free to show where I stated anyone in this thread "hated gays".
Secondly, feel free to post a link to the "Gay Agenda Manifesto" you people constantly hype. You obviously have a copy of it somewhere. Because, to be frank, the only "agenda" I see is a fight for equality.
LOL!!!
First, who are you people? Did you mean heterosexuals?
And second, who on here said they are going to deny gays their equality? If that's your beef with me, then you are barking up the wrong tree. It's totally unreal how some people love to start a argument with people who hadn't done them anything.
I remember having this debate some time ago in a social science class. Gay people argue that they do not choose to be gay, yet being gay or having an attraction to the same species is clearly not a behaviour intended by nature in a species that is suppose to reproduce using a male and a female. So if gays do not choose to be gay, and it is not the way nature intended most people to use their bodies, otherwise we would all be hermaprodites, then is gay a disease, hormonal imbalance, or something else. I lean towards Hormonal imbalance or mild disease of the mind but am want to hear other views.
So if gays tell you they did not choose to be gay, why don't you believe them?
Funny how some people say gays "choose to be gay" , but when you ask the people who said that if they can change their sexuality, then it's always the others who can "change" it, but they can't do it
It is not a choice.
There are a lot of harmless unnatural things in people. Just take a look around you. People have differences. Get over it. Obesity isn't natural but it doesn't really harm society. Being a "little person" means you are way shorter than the normal person but that doesn't mean you should be treated poorly.
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Originally Posted by jungeon
I remember having this debate some time ago in a social science class. Gay people argue that they do not choose to be gay, yet being gay or having an attraction to the same species is clearly not a behaviour intended by nature in a species that is suppose to reproduce using a male and a female. So if gays do not choose to be gay, and it is not the way nature intended most people to use their bodies, otherwise we would all be hermaprodites, then is gay a disease, hormonal imbalance, or something else. I lean towards Hormonal imbalance or mild disease of the mind but am want to hear other views.
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