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Old 09-09-2009, 02:17 PM
 
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This does not look like a good solution. The alternatives are to rack up medical bills or pick up private insurance. If you haven't been shopping lately, private insurance policies have high premiums and very high deductibles. There are a few which are not as expensive, however they provide limited coverage, many exclusions, and an extensive search for preexisting conditions.

Fines proposed for going without health insurance - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090908/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_health_care_overhaul - broken link)
Have you ever stopped to look beyond your own little world? Today YOU are paying fines for those without health coverage. You pay it in higher health care premiums, and every time you receive any care.

If everyone bought coverage, premiums would go down significantly. If everyone had coverage, care costs would go down, as doctors, hospitals, etc wouldn't have to make up the difference by overcharging those with coverage.

But if you don't care about how much it costs YOU, then continue to be an obstructionist, and you will get your wish, as YOUR costs will continue to soar as YOU indirectly cover those without.
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Old 09-09-2009, 02:51 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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I don't like the idea of fines. However, I am having to pay a higher tax rate, and higher insurance premiums for those without insurance already. They have to pay nothing, and get all of their serious healthcare taken care of. Why should I have to continue to pay for them, and they don't have to do anything?

Personally, we either need to stop hospitals from charging those with insurance more, to make up for the loss from taking care of those who have no insurance. Of course, the government lets them write off their losses at the end of the year as well.

So what do we do? I think that we should continue treating everyone, but if you can't prove you have insurance at the end of the year, and you've been to see the doctor, then you get no income tax return. That means no earned income credit, or anything of the like. So it'll save us money, and it'll get people to provide their own insurance.
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Old 09-09-2009, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Have you ever stopped to look beyond your own little world? Today YOU are paying fines for those without health coverage. You pay it in higher health care premiums, and every time you receive any care.

If everyone bought coverage, premiums would go down significantly. If everyone had coverage, care costs would go down, as doctors, hospitals, etc wouldn't have to make up the difference by overcharging those with coverage.

But if you don't care about how much it costs YOU, then continue to be an obstructionist, and you will get your wish, as YOUR costs will continue to soar as YOU indirectly cover those without.
Why would you willing pay for something that you do not use? Would you pay someone to cut your lawn, and be happy if you had to cut it yourself?
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Old 09-09-2009, 02:56 PM
 
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can you perform sugry on yourself? listen i know u are young and think u are invincible, but there may come a day when u need extensive medical or dental work, when u can;t afford it will you go further into debt
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Old 09-09-2009, 02:59 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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No--I'll do without.

I'm not subjecting myself to "treatment" by doctors that still admit that there is plenty they do NOT know about our physiology.
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Old 09-09-2009, 03:02 PM
 
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jesus christ. i feel like i am being punked here.
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Old 09-09-2009, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Why put your life into someone else's hands?
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Old 09-09-2009, 03:20 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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If everyone bought coverage, premiums would go down significantly. If everyone had coverage, care costs would go down, as doctors, hospitals, etc wouldn't have to make up the difference by overcharging those with coverage.
If everyone bought coverage from the same not-for-profit payer, premiums would go down twice as much.

The private insurance companies admit that from every dollar of insurance premiums collected, 20 cents is their profit, and 25 cents is their clerical costs of flooding doctors with a bewildering blizzard of hundreds of different claim forms. Which leaves only 55 cents of your insurance dollar ever getting anywhere near a health care provider.

The fact is, right now,it is exactly the opposite of what you say. For many procedures (such as an MRI) it is the uninsured that are overcharged, sometimes as much as ten times the cost that insurance companies actually pay.
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Old 09-09-2009, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Oxygen Ln. AZ
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I thought this was FREE health care. Any time a liberal tries to solve a problem and help the poor it hurts the poor and drags more of the middle class down with them.
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Old 09-09-2009, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Just like when everyone bought hurricane insurance--and when they tried to use it in 2004, the insurance companies had a problem paying claims...because people actually used it for the intended purpose.

^Ain't nothing in life free.
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