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Old 02-25-2010, 06:42 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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The "churchers" unable to "win" over evolution on an intellectual basis have never stopped trying to make it illegal. They lost the argument but want to change the rules. We won the fight but have to continually fight the absurdist’s so we can teach reality instead of religious nonsense. Adults can believe anything they want but I refuse to let them teach complete fabrications to the next generation.
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Old 02-25-2010, 07:09 AM
 
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The "churchers" unable to "win" over evolution on an intellectual basis have never stopped trying to make it illegal. They lost the argument but want to change the rules. We won the fight but have to continually fight the absurdist’s so we can teach reality instead of religious nonsense. Adults can believe anything they want but I refuse to let them teach complete fabrications to the next generation.
I wonder what makes it possible here to lose the intellectual debate but still fight for the legal and practical decision making rights? Politics?
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Old 02-25-2010, 07:39 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Money buys influence.
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Old 02-25-2010, 09:55 AM
 
Location: South Jordan, Utah
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From this perspective I think that there are more Americas coexisting at this time. This is the paradox of this country. Leading and lighting the way in some areas and the laughing stock of the world on matters like in the 21st century still debating the evolution.

The Social and Legal Dimensions of the Evolution Debate in the U.S.



Clarence Darrow, left, and William Jennings Bryan talk in the
courtroom during the Scopes evolution trial.

Feb. 4, 2009
As with many social and political controversies in the United States, the battle over evolution has been largely fought in courtrooms. This has been particularly true in the last 50 years, as courts have been repeatedly asked to rule on efforts to restrict or change the way public schools teach about evolution and life's origins.

Pew Forum: The Social and Legal Dimensions of the Evolution Debate in the U.S.

I wonder if this has anything to do with our education system and media obsessed popular culture.
Isn't the guy on the right the dad from Everybody Loves Raymond? :-)
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Old 02-25-2010, 10:59 AM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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No support... no contrived discussion... no persuasion... just a simple statement... debate to follow.

We have begun another epic of the dark ages.

Agree/Disagree.. substantiation of my forthcoming opinion pending the response of my fellow subscribers.
No. I cannot see 500 years of Midevil style dark ages where religion rules and knowledge disappears.

Things will change, people will suffer and some will die, but the world will keep turning, and things will eventually get better. We are looking at a disaster probobably on the same scale as the Great Depression/WW II, not armageddon. We may not be retiring in the same country (even if we don't move), but the modern age will go on and climb higher up the proverbial technology ladder.

Modern perspective encompasses the globe, and it is all written down multiple times in multible formats, so it's not likely technology will be lost like in Europe after Rome. And even if the world can't support 7 billion of us, it CAN support a smaller but still huge population.
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Old 02-25-2010, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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Old 02-25-2010, 11:21 AM
 
Location: Mid-Atlantic east coast
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A New Dark Ages? Perhaps.

Or perhaps a New Age of Simplicity where we turn our back on greed and live more a life of small farmers, more local economies selling locally-produced goods and a vastly reduced carbon footprint as we're living in small, efficient and affordable homes.

Fewer cars, more bicycles. Walkable communities. We work closer to home, far less commuting except by public transportation. Think the US prior to WWII.

Does this sound so terrible?

I'm kind of taken with the idea. The village life, come again.
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Old 02-25-2010, 11:23 AM
 
Location: The Woods
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The so-called Dark Ages actually brought about more innovation than Rome did in its later years. Given that Rome relied so heavily on slave labor, it made things rather stagnant in developing new ways of doing things. If you study the history of the Middle Ages you wouldn't be so quick to call it "dark."
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Old 02-25-2010, 05:21 PM
 
Location: Lincoln County Road or Armageddon
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I think if certain religious leaders get their way, the U.S. could enter an intellectual and cultural Dark Age and join the fundamentalist Middle East countries as the most ignorant places on Earth. The Religious Right and the Taliban have more similarities than differences.
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Old 02-25-2010, 06:09 PM
 
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I think if certain religious leaders get their way, the U.S. could enter an intellectual and cultural Dark Age and join the fundamentalist Middle East countries as the most ignorant places on Earth. The Religious Right and the Taliban have more similarities than differences.
This reasoning crossed my mind once or twice as well.
To be honest, I was amazed that no one intervened when Taliban blew up the antique Buddha statutes and especially forced women into burqa's, denied them access to education, forbided them to leave the house by themselves and relegated them to the position of animals, forced to walk behind their husbands, and effectively condemning the widows without sons to starvation as couldn't go out without the company of a male relative. In spite of the outrage of women organizations all over the world, other governments chose to treat these abuses as Afghanistan's internal affairs and no one read the obvious signs of extremism that later brought tragedy to this country.
We are all in it together is the high price lesson of our times.
As financial collapses keep proving in the domino effect of today's world economy.

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