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Wasn't treason, we discussed this plenty of times before.
I think people who say people need to get their head checked over something historical needs to get their head checked.
Go for it! But only in England.
It was treason, it was dealt with. Memorials to Confederates are like Memorials to Nazis. Many fine AMERICANS died putting them down. Go to Vietnam and hoist an ARVN Flag and see where it gets you.
It was treason, it was dealt with. Memorials to Confederates are like Memorials to Nazis. Many fine AMERICANS died putting them down. Go to Vietnam and hoist an ARVN Flag and see where it gets you.
You see? It is posts and attitudes like this that make people feel like they need a Confederate Pride Day.
Thanks for justifying them.
By the way, treason and secession are not the same thing. Many Americans died on both sides of our shared national tragedy.
It would be easier to honor those who served the Confederacy if the former Confederate States were not mired with a history of institutionalized racism which existed until the 1960's. Celebrating Confederate History Month without recognizing its tragedy for the Commonwealth of Virgina and other southern states and not honoring those natives of the southern states who sided with the Union and not honoring the memory of slaves is what makes it appear racist. The fact that the Governor of Virignia seems to have forgotten the legacy of the Confederacy makes him and the Commonwealth appear bigoted.
You see? It is posts and attitudes like this that make people feel like they need a Confederate Pride Day.
Thanks for justifying them.
By the way, treason and secession are not the same thing. Many Americans died on both sides of our shared national tragedy.
You would do well to remember and respect that.
This thread started off incorrectly about the governor's proclamation for Confederate Pride Month. The OP incorrectly referred to it as Confederate Pride Month. It is Confederate History Month. I fail to understand why posts continue to mention Confederate "pride" and "celebrating" the Confederacy. Are people actually reading the proclamation or just reacting to what they have heard? The proclamation says that the Confederacy "should be studied, understood and remembered by all Virginians, both in the context of the time in which it took place, but also in the context of the time in which we live".
The causes of the war will be found at the foundation of our political fabric, in our complex organism, in the fundamental law, in the Constitution itself, in the conflicting constructions which it invited, and in the institution of slavery which it recognized and was intended to protect. If asked what was the real issue involved in our unparalleled conflict, the average American citizen will reply, "The negro"; and it is fair to say that had there been no slavery there would have been no war. But there would have been no slavery if the South's protests could have availed when it was first introduced; and now that it is gone, although its sudden and violent abolition entailed upon the South directly and incidentally a series of woes which no pen can describe, yet it is true that in no section would its reestablishment be more strongly and universally resisted. The South steadfastly maintains that responsibility for the presence of this political Pandora's box in this Western world cannot be laid at her door. When the Constitution was adopted and the Union formed, slavery existed in practically all the States; and it is claimed by the Southern people that its disappearance from the Northern and its development in the Southern States is due to climatic conditions and industrial exigencies rather than to the existence or absence of great moral ideas.
He states that 80% of Union troops would say that they fought to preserve the Union. He also said that almost all of the Confederate troops didn't care about slavery, and didn't hold slaves.
That the practice was doomed, regardless of if the Union had stayed together, and that if the south had suddenly freed all of the slaves, that the war would not have ended.
Therefore, the war was not about slavery.
Read it for yourself. A first hand word is much better than the propaganda books written today.
The Civil War started when the American Revolution began. England was the greatest benificiary of the African Slave trade. A lot of the Royals great fortunes got started with the slave trade. When the Constitution was created slavery was a looming presence. It is very easy to find information on just how much of a moral issue it was before, during and after the American Revolution. The Revolution let the proverbial genie out of the bottle. The actual slave trade or importation was made illegal on January 1 1808 by a bill signed by Thomas Jefferson. Jefferson owned hundreds of slaves over his life time. By his signing of that bill it only intensified the moral imperative to end slavery. The whole American Civil War itself was born because of the Revolution. The Revolution not only challenged England's hold on the Colonies but it challenged humanities paradyme on thousands of years of accepted norms. The World is still feeling its affects today. The History of the Confederacy owes its roots to the South's acceptance and involvement in the American Revolution and Constitution. The Civil war was about Slavery as a part of the South's refusal to accept the changing views of the world. The South was complicit in its own participation of the Revolution and Constitution that started its collision course with changing societal norms. Slavery is one of the top causes of the Civil War and is intertwined in the rest. The South's whole antiquated social and economic system was based on Slave labor. It really is quite amazing in the totality of human history how quickly humanity has moved to change thousands of years of brutal oppression in all its forms since the shot heard round the world ocurred. The Civil war was just finishing up what was started in the American Revolution.
Confederate History should be studied and learned in the context of American History. Giving it a place as a History month is a symbolic gesture that should be reserved for the whole Civil War.
This thread started off incorrectly about the governor's proclamation for Confederate Pride Month. The OP incorrectly referred to it as Confederate Pride Month. It is Confederate History Month. I fail to understand why posts continue to mention Confederate "pride" and "celebrating" the Confederacy. Are people actually reading the proclamation or just reacting to what they have heard? The proclamation says that the Confederacy "should be studied, understood and remembered by all Virginians, both in the context of the time in which it took place, but also in the context of the time in which we live".
The causes of the war will be found at the foundation of our political fabric, in our complex organism, in the fundamental law, in the Constitution itself, in the conflicting constructions which it invited, and in the institution of slavery which it recognized and was intended to protect. If asked what was the real issue involved in our unparalleled conflict, the average American citizen will reply, "The negro"; and it is fair to say that had there been no slavery there would have been no war. But there would have been no slavery if the South's protests could have availed when it was first introduced; and now that it is gone, although its sudden and violent abolition entailed upon the South directly and incidentally a series of woes which no pen can describe, yet it is true that in no section would its reestablishment be more strongly and universally resisted. The South steadfastly maintains that responsibility for the presence of this political Pandora's box in this Western world cannot be laid at her door. When the Constitution was adopted and the Union formed, slavery existed in practically all the States; and it is claimed by the Southern people that its disappearance from the Northern and its development in the Southern States is due to climatic conditions and industrial exigencies rather than to the existence or absence of great moral ideas.
He states that 80% of Union troops would say that they fought to preserve the Union. He also said that almost all of the Confederate troops didn't care about slavery, and didn't hold slaves.
That the practice was doomed, regardless of if the Union had stayed together, and that if the south had suddenly freed all of the slaves, that the war would not have ended.
Therefore, the war was not about slavery.
Read it for yourself. A first hand word is much better than the propaganda books written today.
Quoting General Gordon, "It is fair to say that had there been no slavery there would have been no war."
So now you are using the Pledge of Allegiance as the basis of US law? Try not to choke on that.
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