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Old 04-21-2010, 06:42 PM
 
Location: Europe
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I'm kinda puzzled when people of my and other western hemisphere countries talk about terrorists as if they were killing civil population just because they are bad and evil and they like to blow themselves up.
I'm sick of this "we would never aim at civil population, we would never use such an unfair methods in war". Wtf?! What 'fair un justified' methods can stop NATO and Russia's blood machines?

As the man responsible for explosions in Moscow metro said - it is sad to see bomb explosion victims on CNN, but people will start to think only when they get the same at their neighborhood and at their street. Maybe then they will start to realize what kind of **** their government has pulled them into.
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Old 04-21-2010, 06:50 PM
 
Location: Orlando, FL
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I'm kinda puzzled when people of my and other western hemisphere countries talk about terrorists as if they were killing civil population just because they are bad and evil and they like to blow themselves up.
I'm sick of this "we would never aim at civil population, we would never use such an unfair methods in war". Wtf?! What 'fair un justified' methods can stop NATO and Russia's blood machines?

As the man responsible for explosions in Moscow metro said - it is sad to see bomb explosion victims on CNN, but people will start to think only when they get the same at their neighborhood and at their street. Maybe then they will start to realize what kind of **** their government has pulled them into.
I agree with you wholeheartedly on every point, except I do not believe anyone would view terrorist acts as a hobby, unless they themselves were sadists and/or sociopaths.

Most people who commit acts of terrorism do so out of desperation and a feeling of righteous justification. Terrorists do not have the numbers to carry out revolution, so instead they settle for striking out bloodily against those they seek to revolt against.

Terrorism is the offspring of social ills breeding with apathy and indifference.
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Old 04-21-2010, 10:45 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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We call people risk their lives to make a difference for our side "heroes". If they do the same for the other side, we call them "cowards".

You cannot understand any of the concept of terrorism until you see well-organized, well-trained foreign troops driving war machines down the streets of your village, and kicking in the doors of your house, and making the members of your family s*** themselves with fear, and knowing that your tiny backward country has no chance against such a formidable foe. Try to think about what that is like, for a minute, and ask yourself what you would be willing to do to make it stop. Then you will find out what it really takes to be a hero.
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Old 04-21-2010, 11:25 PM
 
Location: The 719
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Terrorism did to war what the musket did to the sword. It just changed the rules. Were the Kamikaze's methods unethical? Dishonorable? Well, it was unfathomable and hard to understand by the opposition. The Americans and British in the Pacific just could not imagine a pilot taking his own life to use himself, his aircraft and perhaps a bomb as a weapon against a much bigger warship.

It wasn't just the damage they caused, but the fear they instilled.

So the logical question is, why don't we use terrorism? Imagine that? Some will argue "Who's to say we don't?" But seriously. What if we used acts of terrorism randomly to our enemies... just to keep the world on their toes? What if the C.I.A. just nuked Thailand and we said, "Oops! Sorry. Accident! Our bad."

Well... a hobby this is not. I like what SHS says about apathy and indifference. Dangerous states of consciousness, apathy and indifference. Apathy has an energy level of 50 and it's associated with despair, hatred, condemnation and hopelessness. A mom wakes up one morning and looks at her children who are starving and says, "There's no food for them today. There'll be no food for them tomorrow. What does it matter? There's no hope." Indifference has a level of 175 and has a self view of demanding, is at the level of Pride... such as religious pride or ethnic pride or patriotic pride and has the emotion of scorn. Hitler capitalized on and motivated his people under that situation.

The individual has a consciousness, but there is a collective consciousness too. As you go above 200, you get into states of consciousness which are of Power... Integrity... truth, and they are not only more powerful, but healing. Our world's state of consciousness is supposedly about 204 now, and hopefully, the scales will continue to be tipped in this direction, big Corporate will see the virtue in integrity, etc. When people are below the 200 line, it's much easier to sell a lie. Think late-night infomercials.

States of consciousness above 200;

Courage ; 200
Neutrality ; 250
Willingness ; 310
Acceptance ; 350
Reason ; 400
Love ; 500
Joy ; 540
Peace ; 600
Enlightenment; 700-1000

Below 200;

Pride ; 175
Anger ; 150
Desire ; 125
Fear ; 100
Grief ; 75
Apathy,hatred; 50
Guilt ; 30
Shame ; 20
Death ; 0
Suicide ; -50
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Old 04-22-2010, 03:03 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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What is the numerical value of the state of consciousness of "Recognizing BS"? If I have Reason, Love and Joy simultaneously, does that trump Enlightenment? Does Infatuation count the same as Love? How many points is "Faking an Orgasm" worth?
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Old 04-22-2010, 03:06 PM
 
Location: The 719
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Do you really want to know or do you just want to debate it?

If you really want to know, read some stuff by David R. Hawkins.
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Old 04-22-2010, 03:14 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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If you really want to know, read some stuff by David R. Hawkins.
You mean the mystic spiritualist in Sedona AZ, who has five lines of bio on Wikipedia? I doubt if he is my go-to guy when I "really want to know" something.
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Old 04-22-2010, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Georgia
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It's like a Religious act or Crusade to the Muslim Extremist terrorists.
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Old 04-22-2010, 10:51 PM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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The same folks who think foreign terrorists are innocent little lambs driven to become pus-encrusted vipers by the cruel world, also think any sort of domestic separatists fighting for 'their cause' are religious kooks worthy of being burned in their compounds--even if they haven't gone on a shooting spree in a market or blown themselves up in a train station.

The same folks who applaud the killing of hundreds of innocent men, women, and children by terrorists, condemn the execution of one mass murderer.

I wouldn't expect a person who thinks that way to be capable of any half-way logical thought. Those types will never understand that killing someone who did nothing to deserve to die is wrong.

If a psychopathic band of police officers come from Topeka into my town and kill my family and impale the dog on the front lawn, I'm not going to drive to Topeka and open fire on citizens indiscriminately with a machine gun. To do so would simply be a combination of psychosis and low IQ. Yet that's exactly what terrorist do. Do you REALLY see any logic in that? If you buy a gallon of rotten milk, are you going to go back to the grocery store and gun down the customers? It's too bad that there is very little reason and rational thought left in our world. Terrorism does not invoke fear in me and it certainly doesn't invoke an open ear--it invokes my middle finger.

Terrorists simply give a bad name to a cause that may have otherwise had some validity.

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Old 04-23-2010, 07:30 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Chris, I'm having a little trouble piecing together yuour logic.

If nine guys sneak into your country and crash a couple of planes, and as collateral damage a faulty building falls down killing a few thousand, you do exactly what you questioned in your premise. You get so infuriated that you run off to a random, uninvolved country, declare shock and awe, and destroy the entire infrastructure and livelihood of a nation of tens of millions of innocent civilians for whom life was difficult enough already. And round up a few thousand of those innocent civilians more or less at random and throw them into a dungeon for seven years and counting, without even the courtesy of an explanation, and torture them, to set an example of our own general cruelty.

Can you add more clarity to your point that that is somehow different from machine gunning Topeka over a gallon of bad milk? Or, was that your point?
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