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There are a lot of obfuscation centered replies. This is just as I predicted. Most people don’t really want to have a REAL debate on the issue because they know that their position is simply based upon emotions and “snap shot” reasoning based upon point-in-time observations in which they apply no explanation. In other words, they know their argument is not tenable. People want to have an emotional argument that they can walk away from as ignorant as when the arrived to it……not an intellectual debate that potentially leads to personal growth.
I rest my case. My position wins by forfeit.
Now, this is the first big problem I have with your reasoning. Winning? Is that really all you debate for? What are you winning exactly?
Like I sad I'd be happy to debate it, but I think we party agree on an awful lot of it.
Now, this is the first big problem I have with your reasoning. Winning? Is that really all you debate for? What are you winning exactly?
Like I sad I'd be happy to debate it, but I think we party agree on an awful lot of it.
I don't win anything. I said MY POSITION wins. If my position wins....then so does the integrity and image of black people. My postion is in defense of the equal humanity and capacity of black people. Its not about me as an individual. If one accepts that premise of black equal humanity and capacity, then what explains black poverty being 3 times that of whites, black unemployment being 2 times more than whites, black wealth being over 10 times less than whites, black homicides being 8 times more than whites....etc.
There are a lot of obfuscation centered replies. This is just as I predicted. Most people don’t really want to have a REAL debate on the issue because they know that their position is simply based upon emotions and “snap shot” reasoning based upon point-in-time observations in which they apply no explanation. In other words, they know their argument is not tenable. People want to have an emotional argument that they can walk away from as ignorant as when the arrived to it……not an intellectual debate that potentially leads to personal growth. Without logical fallcies.....they have no argument. Without the ability to denigrate the messenger.....they cannot discredit the message.
I rest my case. My position wins by forfeit.
Your position is full of s***. Nobody wants to debate with an a**hole who comes out of nowhere and declares that he is God's gift to debatehood, and then demands to choose his topic and his opponent. Especially with one who starts out by proving that he is going to, at the end, unilaterally declare himself the f****** winner.
OK. You won by forfeit. Now go away. Walk away from the argument as ignorant as when you arrived.
What do you know! You still have 212 rep points, exactly the same number you had before your moronic narcissistic proposal and feeble flurry of attempts to validate it. What's the matter? Nobody repped you for this? You must be crushed.
By the way, how come the word "nig-gard-ly" is banned here, but it is OK to use "denigrate"?
den·i·grate
–verb
1.
to speak damagingly of; criticize in a derogatory manner; sully; defame: to denigrate someone's character.
2.
to treat or represent as lacking in value or importance; belittle; disparage: to denigrate someone's contributions to a project.
3. to make black; blacken: rain clouds denigrating the sky.
Origin:
1520–30; < L dēnigrātus (ptp. of dēnigrāre to blacken), equiv. to dē- de- + nigr ( āre ) to make black + -ātus -ate1
But anyway, so, since your premise is "race" then why are the blacks in Africa the same as they were since the beginning of time? Also, how do you account for the the mixture of European or Native blood in African Americans (Barack Obama)?
Your position is full of s***. Nobody wants to debate with an a**hole who comes out of nowhere and declares that he is God's gift to debatehood, and then demands to choose his topic and his opponent. Especially with one who starts out by proving that he is going to, at the end, unilaterally declare himself the f****** winner.
OK. You won by forfeit. Now go away. Walk away from the argument as ignorant as when you arrived.
What do you know! You still have 212 rep points, exactly the same number you had before your moronic narcissistic proposal and feeble flurry of attempts to validate it. What's the matter? Nobody repped you for this? You must be crushed.
By the way, how come the word "nig-gard-ly" is banned here, but it is OK to use "denigrate"?
den·i·grate –verb 1. to speak damagingly of; criticize in a derogatory manner; sully; defame: to denigrate someone's character. 2. to treat or represent as lacking in value or importance; belittle; disparage: to denigrate someone's contributions to a project. 3. to make black; blacken: rain clouds denigrating the sky.
Origin: 1520–30; < L dēnigrātus (ptp. of dēnigrāre to blacken), equiv. to dē- de- + nigr ( āre ) to make black + -ātus -ate1
I have not demanded anything and yes....I have an azz hole...thank you very much. I thought I offered to work out the ground rules with whomever participated. I never banned any word. As long as one provides a defintion....they could use it to their heart content. You can use "spook", "porch monkey", "coon" or any other term that helps make your intellectual point.....lol. Maybe I was not clear. I am not an expert on debate...never was on a debate team and never have taken up the subject. I do know the difference between an emotional position and a logical position, however.
Thanks for the word eytomology....I am sure some did not realize the derivation of those terms. Oh...by the way.....that term you mentioned is not actually banned by this forum. The term you used contains a substring that is banned. There is software that parses what is posted on the web server to block out certain words before it sends the informaion back out client browsers. The software was not written to be that sophisticated. So technically.....that term is not banned......but rather, simply contains a banned substring. Hope that helps yah! Now cease with your "Niggling".....lol.
Last edited by Indentured Servant; 04-25-2010 at 08:41 AM..
I don't think so. I have only 74 posts - this should make 75 - so I am disqualified, though willing. (You stated your debate opponent must have at least 100 posts). I think it's a good topic, and a very important one. And I think the evidence of present inequality which you cited does indeed have explanations other than black inferiority and white racism. Just because you got some "obfuscation" responses does not justify your haste to declare victory, although it may justify your qualms about finding the right opponent to put the debate on a rational footing.
I don't think so. I have only 74 posts - this should make 75 - so I am disqualified, though willing. (You stated your debate opponent must have at least 100 posts). I think it's a good topic, and a very important one. And I think the evidence of present inequality which you cited does indeed have explanations other than black inferiority and white racism. Just because you got some "obfuscation" responses does not justify your haste to declare victory, although it may justify your qualms about finding the right opponent to put the debate on a rational footing.
Fine.....I only put a limit on the number of post due to the fact that one can make 1 dam good post and get a lot of reputation points from it. Putting a floor on the number of post kind of smooths that out. However, given that no one else has decided to choose the intellectual path to growth.....I am certainly willing to have a debate with you.
So your position is that racial inequality of today has other schools of thought besides the campuses of inferiority or racism. Make an argument to defend this proposition. At this point I am not saying that you are incorrect or correct. Also, in defense of your proposition, how did you control for the elimination of direct or indirect, past or present racism?
The Buddha taught that intellectual wisdom without compassion is too cold to be of much use, and that compassion not tempered by wisdom is equally pointless in the long run.
Since the debate topic in question requires a substantial measure of both, I would think that without agreeing beforehand that neither side can "win" such a debate, but that all of us must be "winners" (or, more accurately, enlightened beneficiaries of the wisdom and compassion hopefully generated and expressed), its utility is limited.
I thought you said that you rested your case and that you had won by default (or at least your 'position' had won).
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Originally Posted by Indentured Servant
I rest my case. My position wins by forfeit.
Yet, I note that there is further activity from you on this thread more or less implying that your cause is ongoing.
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Originally Posted by Indentured Servant
Fine.....I only put a limit on the number of post due... yadda yadda yadda...
So which is it? You did say you (or your 'position') won, right? Are you the kind of guy that likes to rub you defeated foe's nose in his/her humiliating loss? If you did win as you say you did, why are you not off affixing another feather to your bonnet?
You obviously didn't understand what I meant. Whether it be you or "your position" that "wins" is pointless, What I mean is that I don't see any point in participating in a debate beased on someone or some "position" ultimately winning. I think it's a stupid premise for a flourishing debate, and because of that, nothing will actually be gained from it.
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Your position wins by forfeit???
