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Old 10-25-2013, 03:06 PM
 
Location: DC
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Holy socks! Love the job security! We'll be building power plants left and right!!!
Northern States Power might, but probably not you.
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Old 10-25-2013, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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Northern States Power might, but probably not you.
LOLOLOLOOOOOOO commisioning a 25mw int load plant as we speak and just completed the land purchase for another 50 mw plant.....built, operated and managed by yours truly
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Old 10-25-2013, 03:51 PM
 
Location: Volcano
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So OpenD, instead of single facilities serving many, we'll put individual facilities serving individuals.
And all of that is manufactured, transported and installed with a benefit to the environment right? Think it through, I know its tough but try.
You're very funny. You have no facts, you just make stuff up, you have no suggestions, and you haven't even made a valid point yet, but you still keep beating that same goofy drum.

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A single fueling station (doesn't have to be gasoline) or millions of individual stations. Have you thought about how many resources are needed to make those? Obviously not.
Have you bothered to find out what is really entailed in providing a "charging station"? Of course not, or you wouldn't keep making such glaring errors. To use Tesla figures, plugging into a standard electric dryer outlet will provide 29 miles of travel for each hour of charge. And you set the parameters on the car's dashboard for when you want the charging to start, and when to end it. The cable to do this is provided with the car. And with another plug end, also provided, the cable connects with a public charger.

People who choose to install a special High Power charger station at home, which can supply twice the power as a dryer outlet, do so for faster charging, at a rate of 58 miles of travel for 1 hour of charging with the Tesla unit. But it's not required.

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Then the miracle of electric generation comes in, something you refuse to answer because you can only come up with cliches. What happens when the demand on the gird goes from low at night to the same peaks as during the daytime?
If that point is reached, it will not occur for many years to come, so there will be plenty of time to add capacity as needed. All the various modes of alternative energy generation will contribute to the overall portfolio.

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Come on, the question is simple. Charging an EV can easily be equivalent to the use of electricity needed to run a house hold for the day, perhaps even more.
Nope. Not true. See above. And as EV efficiency improves and the technology evolves your statement can only become more false over time.

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That is a 200% increase in the amount of electricity needed by each home with only 1 EV. If the EV is charges at night, there is no drop off in electrical demand on the grid. Then what happens since solar doesn't factor in?
Your premise is false, as usual. And you're stuck in an either/or model of how things work. That flawed way of thinking keeps leading you down dark tunnels which have no cheese at the end.

This new initiative by the 8 Governors is bold and challenging... to get from the 200,000 zero-emission cars we have on the road now to 3.3 Million by 2025. But even if that is fully accomplished it still represents less than 1.5% of the cars on the road today. So it's manageable growth that's easily absorbed.

But there's a whole cultural learning curve which goes along with that small shift, and as the public learns that most of us don't need to own big gas guzzlers, and that electric vehicles have many advantages over conventional ICE cars, momentum to switch will gradually build. Since cars and trucks currently account for half of the oil consumption in this country, that will make a huge difference. And there will be a commensurate shift in our relationship to renewable energy sources.

Since we really have no choice in the long run, we might as well do whatever we can to start the paradigm shift now.
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Old 10-25-2013, 05:53 PM
 
Location: DC
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LOLOLOLOOOOOOO commisioning a 25mw int load plant as we speak and just completed the land purchase for another 50 mw plant.....built, operated and managed by yours truly
Those won't be used to charge ev which will typicaly charge off peak.
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Old 10-25-2013, 07:08 PM
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one school of thought should be on using less energy, not just green energy...doing things smarter. my electric bill is 30 bucks a month, and i live in a hot summer/cold winter climate. the bigger the house the bigger the bill. we should start designing homes like old roman villas, they were functional houses, catching rain water for their baths and all water uses, but no, we just let the rain water fall and not be used. positioning homes to catch the rays in the winter and have half the house shaded for summer. geothermal ect., thats my personal idea, to have a home that is functional and yet all the space is occupied, dont have a house made of solar panels if you dont have to is what im getting at.
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Old 10-26-2013, 03:43 PM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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[quote=DCforever;31961265]Those won't be used to charge ev which will typicaly charge off peak.[/quote

Since a primary reason for building these plants is to back up wind I think we might get some in thereAttachment 120083

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Old 10-27-2013, 12:21 PM
 
Location: DC
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The EVs will charge using wind energy.
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Old 10-27-2013, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Volcano
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The EVs will charge using wind energy.
Wind energy, solar energy, hydro energy, geothermal energy, hydrothermal energy, tide power energy, wave power energy... these are all clean, renewable energy sources that can be used to charge EVs. Bio fuels are not as clean, but are substantially better than fossil fuels.

But even using conventional fossil fuel generation EVs are cleaner and cause less pollution than burning gas or oil in cars does.
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Old 10-28-2013, 10:13 AM
 
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OpenD, do you own an EV? Why do you avoid answering that question?
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Old 10-28-2013, 10:21 AM
 
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Those won't be used to charge ev which will typicaly charge off peak.[/quote

Since a primary reason for building these plants is to back up wind I think we might get some in thereAttachment 120083
The only reason EV cars can charge off peak is because there are so few of them around. What happens to peak hours if even one third of cars are EV? Consider the amount of electricity a typical EV car requires to charge compared to what an average family uses in a day.

There will be no off peak. EV proponents never talk about what happens to peak hours when more than a small percentage of cars in use are charging during the "off peak" hours.

Off peak hours evaporate.
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