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Have you not seen the news reports for the past several decades of people being killed in the massive wildfires out West? Times that by tens of thousands of years worldwide, and you're talking a lot of fatalities and health problems in those impacted by it. No early warnings centuries ago if a wildfire was on its way, unless you saw the smoke.
You have a fertile imagination. I was looking for a factual basis, not a fairy tale.
And that could have been the result of a wildfire too.
No, the researchers determined that it was caused by repeated, prolonged exposure to wood fires, such as would have been used for cooking.
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Burning petroleum has had a far bigger impact on the environment and our health than has burning wood.
Yes, of course, because our use of petroleum has dwarfed our use of wood for fuel. But arguing which is better is like debating which deck chairs on the Titanic are better.
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Any proof of that? Countless people over thousands of years have been exposed to thick smoke from wildfires, and many died of it.
And today, it is estimated that about 8,000,000 people per year die from the toxic effects of wood smoke from cooking and heating fires. This is not a bogus issue.
No, the researchers determined that it was caused by repeated, prolonged exposure to wood fires, such as would have been used for cooking.
It would be rather difficult to actually prove that. Wood smoke in the lungs froma wildfire would be indistinguishable from any other source.
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Yes, of course, because our use of petroleum has dwarfed our use of wood for
fuel. But arguing which is better is like debating which deck chairs on the
Titanic are better.
Wood is renewable. It smells better too.
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And today, it is estimated that about 8,000,000 people per year die from the toxic effects of wood smoke from cooking and heating fires. This is not a bogus issue.
The technology exists to make wood burning as clean as about anything else. I know the third world is polluted and doesn't have access to better technology. Wood smoke in the U.S is not this major health threat.
It would be rather difficult to actually prove that. Wood smoke in the lungs froma wildfire would be indistinguishable from any other source.
That's the ad ignorantiam fallacy at work... another logical fallacy that is popular in this forum... "I don't know about it so it must not be true."
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Wood is renewable. It smells better too.
But wood smoke is highly toxic. For people with respiratory issues it can be a problem even at very low concentrations, such as from an upwind neighbor.
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The technology exists to make wood burning as clean as about anything else.
Yes, but there is tremendous resistance to using it, as a number of posts in this forum attest. The biggest success is from large wood-burning generator facilities that can run air scrubber chimneys. There's one about an hour from here that is running on harvested "junk" eucalyptus and albizia wood. But individual households can't possibly compete.
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Wood smoke in the U.S is not this major health threat.
Not in the macro view, perhaps, but in the micro view, it can be a major threat. I know people who have had to move to get away from neighbor's wood smoke, and as I mentioned earlier, my brother had to remove the woodstove from his house and replace it with a propane furnace when my SIL developed asthma from the small amount of smoke which escaped.
More correctly, the EPA certifies wood stoves, they do not require them. For Example, Oregon requires a EPA certified wood stove or fireplace. And, as stated above if you have a non certified stove in a home, it must be replaced or removed upon sale.
But non certified wood stoves are still made and installed all over the country. Some cities in Colorado require EPA certified stoves but most do not. I installed a certified Fireplace on the front range and the building dept did not care if it was certified or not.
More correctly, the EPA certifies wood stoves, they do not require them. For Example, Oregon requires a EPA certified wood stove or fireplace. And, as stated above if you have a non certified stove in a home, it must be replaced or removed upon sale.
But non certified wood stoves are still made and installed all over the country. Some cities in Colorado require EPA certified stoves but most do not.
Correct, but more and more states and local governments are requiring them all the time.
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1. Why purchase an EPA-certified wood stove?
EPA-certified wood stoves are cleaner burning and more efficient than a typical uncertified wood stove.
In some states and jurisdictions, it is illegal to offer for sale, purchase, operate or sell a house containing a wood stove not certified by the EPA Wood Heater Program.
I installed a certified Fireplace on the front range and the building dept did not care if it was certified or not.
There's a little confusion here... EPA does not certify fireplace inserts, only wood stoves. Fireplaces and inserts which meet EPA emission standards for wood stoves are referred to as EPA Qualified. It's a voluntary program, so there are no local requirements for them.
Correct, but more and more states and local governments are requiring them all the time.
There's a little confusion here... EPA does not certify fireplace inserts, only wood stoves. Fireplaces and inserts which meet EPA emission standards for wood stoves are referred to as EPA Qualified. It's a voluntary program, so there are no local requirements for them.
That is incorrect. Fireplaces and inserts are also EPA Certified. I installed a QuadraFire 7100, and this statement is from their Information:
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EPA Phase-II certified, with emission levels of 3.1 g/hr
In addition you cannot install a non Certified Woodstove, OR INSERT as per state law. Excerpt form Oregon DEQ:
Oregon law requires you to remove an uncertified woodstove or fireplace insert if you are selling your home. If the stove or insert is certified there is no need to remove the stove. The 2009 Oregon Legislature passed this law helps protect people from unnecessary woodsmoke pollution.
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