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Old 12-21-2013, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Volcano
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Yeah not like those massive wildfires in summer that put out alot more smoke then all of the people who use wood burning stoves...
I've never understood why that shows up as a "gotcha" for some people. Wildfires are natural, a part of the normal cycle of clearing dead vegetation from the land. The smoke is toxic enough to cause injury to firefighters and residents at considerable distance from the fireline, but its effects are typically only felt for a few days at a time. On the other hand toxic smoke from woodstoves and fireplaces can be cumulative, and occur year around. You may need to take temporary action to avoid the smoke from a forest fire, but it can be quite difficult to avoid the ongoing emissions of an upwind neighbor.
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Old 12-21-2013, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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I've never understood why that shows up as a "gotcha" for some people. Wildfires are natural, a part of the normal cycle of clearing dead vegetation from the land. The smoke is toxic enough to cause injury to firefighters and residents at considerable distance from the fireline, but its effects are typically only felt for a few days at a time. On the other hand toxic smoke from woodstoves and fireplaces can be cumulative, and occur year around. You may need to take temporary action to avoid the smoke from a forest fire, but it can be quite difficult to avoid the ongoing emissions of an upwind neighbor.
well mankind making a Fire for warmth, Light and to cook meals on and boil water to drink is where the benefits outweigh the negatives and pretty much heated homes and been used as a fuel source since we managed to rub two sticks together and make a fire.
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Old 12-21-2013, 04:05 PM
 
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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Send me a PM of where you live in Maine and I'll give you contact information for someone that uses anthracite coal. Then see if you agree. FYI. it's perfectly suitable for any urban environment.
I am with Coal since here in the PNW wood and Coal as well as LNG are abundant cheap and I use a woodstove and have Fire place and LNG heats my Hot water tank and my standby back up Generator uses propane from a 1000Gallon underground tank that meet all current regulations and has to replaced every 10 years and tested every fill up.

And yes OpenD I have Solar panels on the roof and my power comes from hydro but I save alot of money on eclectic bills by heating with the wood stove you do know that we get some cold winters and need to have a heat source.
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Old 12-21-2013, 04:22 PM
 
Location: Poshawa, Ontario
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which, like auto emission tests, is about tax revenues.
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Old 12-22-2013, 05:06 PM
 
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well mankind making a Fire for warmth, Light and to cook meals on and boil water to drink is where the benefits outweigh the negatives and pretty much heated homes and been used as a fuel source since we managed to rub two sticks together and make a fire.
We also used to drive wild animals off cliffs to get our dinners, and living to age 30 was considered elderly, but times have changed. And breathing wood smoke was part of what shortened our lives, back before technology arrived.

As I posted earlier, Otzi, the 5,300 year old Ice Mummy found in the Alps in 1991 was shown, under examination, to have soot in his lungs and smoke damage from wood fires.

It's very hard to outweigh the negatives of burning wood for warmth, light, and cooking and boiling water today in an industrialized nation like ours, unless you are far enough from any neighbors to not cause them any issues, and have little regard for your own health.
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Old 12-23-2013, 06:06 AM
 
Location: The Woods
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As I posted earlier, Otzi, the 5,300 year old Ice Mummy found in the Alps in 1991 was shown, under examination, to have soot in his lungs and smoke damage from wood fires.
And that could have been the result of a wildfire too.

Burning petroleum has had a far bigger impact on the environment and our health than has burning wood.
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Old 12-23-2013, 07:43 AM
 
Location: DC
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And that could have been the result of a wildfire too.

No it was from fires inside shelters

Burning petroleum has had a far bigger impact on the environment and our health than has burning wood.
we burn a lot more petroleum.
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Old 12-23-2013, 09:28 AM
 
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No it was from fires inside shelters

we burn a lot more petroleum.
Any proof of that? Countless people over thousands of years have been exposed to thick smoke from wildfires, and many died of it.
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Old 12-23-2013, 10:28 AM
 
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Any proof of that?
http://www.annualreviews.org/doi/abs...lCode=energy.1

Wood accounts for about 10% of total energy consumption. Oil, gas & coal is 85+%.

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Countless people over thousands of years have been exposed to thick smoke from wildfires, and many died of it.
Any proof of that?
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Old 12-23-2013, 01:52 PM
 
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Wood accounts for about 10% of total energy consumption. Oil, gas & coal is 85+%.
I was referring to the mummified human dying of wood campfires as you claimed. I'm well aware of the fact that more petroleum is burned than wood in the U.S. Not a lot of wood burning automobiles around.

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Any proof of that?
Have you not seen the news reports for the past several decades of people being killed in the massive wildfires out West? Times that by tens of thousands of years worldwide, and you're talking a lot of fatalities and health problems in those impacted by it. No early warnings centuries ago if a wildfire was on its way, unless you saw the smoke.
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