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Old 12-24-2013, 08:21 AM
 
Location: Puposky MN
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Hello- quick question for anyone who has any sort of idea on this....

I recently got a wild hair up my butt to tear up the old linoleum in my basement- it had been driving me crazy for quite some time, old water damage stains, last done in sometime around the sixites and just had to go. Here's my issue- the tar that gets left behind on the concrete? The only thing I know of that will remove that without a major amount of effort is mineral spirits. However, and I really didn't think this through before starting the project, big surprise there, I'm almost 6 months pregnant and solvents and chemicals are not anywhere on my ok to do list. Anyone have any ideas? Something natural that can get this crap off the floor? I can live with the ugly basement until after the kid comes, but it's driving me batty.

Thanks in advance for any info you have!
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Old 12-24-2013, 09:30 AM
 
Location: DC
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Try google. It is your friend.
Old House Journal: Removing Linoleum Adhesive
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Old 12-24-2013, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Volcano
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I've had some luck with citrus oil. It's non-toxic. Get a small bottle and try it. Wet it down and let it sit for a while to soften, then scrape.

Good luck.
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Old 12-24-2013, 09:18 PM
 
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I was going to recommend trying 100% biodiesel. Although it should be better than mineral spirits I don't know if you should be around that either. I use it instead of parts cleaner and my buddy that rebuilds airboat lycoming motors swears by it.

The citrus stuff works too, but that tarry stuff sounds worse than what I had to remove with it.
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Old 12-25-2013, 01:42 PM
 
Location: Interior AK
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Dry-ice to harden it up enough to get brittle and a lot of elbow-grease with a scrapper.
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Old 12-25-2013, 02:48 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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Some old linoleum had asbestos in it. Something to be aware of. Personally I'd wait.
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Old 12-25-2013, 03:13 PM
 
Location: Interior AK
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I think she already has the linoleum up and now all that's left if the adhesive... so any asbestos damage would have already been done.

One option if the OCD gets to be too much to wait until after the baby's born -- if put down Pergo/laminate floating flooring in the basement, you won't need to clean all the old lino adhesive off the concrete. You can just roll the underlayment mat (or two) down right on top of it and then install the flooring. I did this over a patched portion of slab that refused to level smoothly and it worked great.
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Old 12-27-2013, 09:09 AM
 
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Unless a sander was taken to the tile, any asbestos exposure would have been so minimal as to be less than average environmental exposure from just living in the U.S. in the 1950s.

An active ingredient in citrus oil is also known as orangene. There is another common chemical called limonene used for intense cleaning. Limonene MAY have some good effects but many other components in "non-toxic" orange oil are anything but.

"I've had some luck with citrus oil. It's non-toxic. " WRONG!!!!!!!!!

"The volatile oil (bitter orange oil) contains more than 90% monoterpenes (main d-limonene, also myrcene, campherr pinene, ocimene, p-cymene, etc.); small amounts of alcohols (linalool, terpinene nerol, farnesol, nerolidol, octanol, etc. usually 0.5–1% aldehydes (mainly decanal also nonanal, dodecanal, citronellal, neral acetaldehyde, formaldehyde, etc.), and ketones (carvone, α-ionone, and jasmine); free acids (octadecadienoic, pelargonic, cinnamic, acetic, etc.); about 2.4% esters (linalyl acetate, decyl pelargonate, octyl acetate, geranyl acetate, etc.); coumarins (osthole and auraptenol); and others." Source: Chemical Composition of Orange: Information from Answers.com Any chemist past the first semester will be able to reference similar information.

On a personal note, I have used orangene in the past. Aside from "melting" plastics, the stuff can even migrate through gloves and create a tingling and numbness in the hands. There is no way on G*d's green earth that I would EVER recommend a pregnant woman using it. EVER!

Toxicology of Orange: Information from Answers.com

Which brings me to a meta-point. I am sure openD was just trying to be helpful, but when giving advice it is important to verify first, especially when there is the potential for harm. One of the reasons I read and post in this forum is to bring some reality back to those who have been taken in by the marketing of "green" products. This thread is a PERFECT example of why that balance is needed.

The marketing of attorneys has created unreasonable fear over asbestos, created new laws within the EPA, and a new asbestos abatement industry that is far larger than need be. Yes, asbestos IN THE AIR that gets into lungs can be dangerous. Locked up in a matrix of a floor tile, it has little opportunity to get into the air. With common sense tile removal, there is almost no danger to a mother and ZERO danger to a fetus.

However... Using a "green" product of orange oil, compared to a low V.O.C. mineral spirits is probably on the order of a thousand times more dangerous to mother and fetus than asbestos exposure. Many of the component chemicals have to potential to be mutagenic, carcinogenic, and neurotoxic.

DO NOT TRUST GREEN MARKETING. Every material on the planet is made up of atoms and chemicals - organic chemicals can be even MORE deadly than many inorganic ones. Snake venom is organic. Botulism is organic. Both can be marketed as "all natural." Some products that are green are truly good and useful, but it is up to you to separate the fact from fiction.
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Old 12-27-2013, 04:52 PM
 
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Harry Chickpea - How do you feel about BioDiesel? Is that as non-toxic as they make it out to be?

Personally, I like it over diesel for a vehicle, but it also works well as a cleaner. Better than parts cleaner.
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Old 12-27-2013, 07:34 PM
 
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I would sooner bioDiesel than orange oil. Oils are longer chain molecules and less volatile. As for effectiveness, I have no idea.
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