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Old 12-17-2014, 05:28 PM
 
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The king of TOS complaints isn't Mack Knife for sure. That isn't hard to figure out.
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Old 12-17-2014, 05:43 PM
 
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Greenpeace defaced and/or damaged ancient artifacts or preserved environments trying to get messages out to "Go Solar".

Renewable energy at any cost? Apparently some take that literally.

Peru Says Greenpeace Permanently Damaged Nazca Lines - WSJ

Permanent damage. At any cost indeed and obviously someone bought that line and acted upon it.
People walked on that thing for 1500 years or so. Smooth it out and it will be undetectable and then gone in a few years.

A stupid misdemeanor...not a felony. It would never have been picked up if not for Greenpeace.
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Old 12-19-2014, 04:49 PM
 
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Read a bit, you'll see who began and continues all the TOS nonsense.
The TOS (Terms of Service) isn't nonsense. Not at all.

The TOS a set of common sense rules that the owners impose on posters here in City Data Forums in an attempt to keep discussion and debate here civil and polite, rather than allowing the kind of unfettered chaos and mean spirited bashing that so often develops in internet discussions when posters are anonymous.

Everyone agrees to abide to the TOS rules as a condition of participation here. Anyone who can't comply really needs to go elsewhere and not post here.

In addition, because of a past history of abusive and disrespectful behavior on the Green Living forum, the moderators created an additional set of special rules for THIS forum which are posted at the top. https://www.city-data.com/forum/green...ed-topics.html

Anyone who can't follow THESE rules, likewise should not post in THIS forum, whether or not there is a moderator actively enforcing them at any given moment.

In the same way that you can't go on the Vegetarian forum and talk about how much you love meat... it's disrespectful to the regulars, and a violation of the special rules in effect there.... you can't come here to Green Living and bash the people who are working to protect the environment or create a more sustainable world, or the things they are doing to achieve that.

And that includes the prohibition of political opinion or political debates, or bashing political figures, such as the often repeated mockery of Al Gore and others in leadership positions on these issues. It's inappropriate here, as the rules clearly state.

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Old 12-25-2014, 10:01 AM
 
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People walked on that thing for 1500 years or so. Smooth it out and it will be undetectable and then gone in a few years.

A stupid misdemeanor...not a felony. It would never have been picked up if not for Greenpeace.
So, according to you, it is ok for Greenpeace to vandalize areas so long as you can walk on them. So, how about some US national parks, would that be ok?

One great place that should not cause any problems is the hiking trail to Delicate Arch in Arches NP. There is a large part of the trail that is actually slick rock and people walk all over it.



Yea, that's not a problem; who will even notice?
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Old 12-25-2014, 10:22 AM
 
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So, according to you, it is ok for Greenpeace to vandalize areas so long as you can walk on them. So, how about some US national parks, would that be ok?

One great place that should not cause any problems is the hiking trail to Delicate Arch in Arches NP. There is a large part of the trail that is actually slick rock and people walk all over it.



Yea, that's not a problem; who will even notice?
It is a misdemeanor. Dumb. But no real damage. Be the same on the Delicate Arch Trail. There are often rules on trails and even places where you are instructed not to use a trail section.

Violations are likely illegal... a law violation. They are unlikely to be a felony unless long lasting damage is done.
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Old 12-25-2014, 12:35 PM
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It is a misdemeanor. Dumb. But no real damage. Be the same on the Delicate Arch Trail. There are often rules on trails and even places where you are instructed not to use a trail section.

Violations are likely illegal... a law violation. They are unlikely to be a felony unless long lasting damage is done.
It is a felony offense, similar to ours for any destruction or disfigurement of national parks. It is gov't property and thus a Federal Felony offense.
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Old 12-25-2014, 01:46 PM
 
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It is a felony offense, similar to ours for any destruction or disfigurement of national parks. It is gov't property and thus a Federal Felony offense.
YOu seriously suggesting that getting off a trail is a felony? Not likely. Cite a source of prosecution where no damage was done.
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Old 12-25-2014, 01:49 PM
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YOu seriously suggesting that getting off a trail is a felony? Not likely. Cite a source of prosecution where no damage was done.
If you read the article the Peruvian gov't claims it was damaged. This means felony offense. If you so happen to walk into any national park in the US and take even a rock out it is committing a felony offense for stealing federal property. Just look up the laws.
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Old 12-25-2014, 02:20 PM
 
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If you read the article the Peruvian gov't claims it was damaged. This means felony offense. If you so happen to walk into any national park in the US and take even a rock out it is committing a felony offense for stealing federal property. Just look up the laws.
The Peruvian government said it was walked on. That place has been walked on for 1500 years.

It is a put on. It is well known that the desert surface can be broken by walking on it but it also seals back up reasonably quickly if smoothed and left alone. That surface is used in places like the Mojave desert to avoid blowing dust.

Again I don't want to defend a stupid stunt. But that is what it is. Not permanent damage or anything that had not gone on there before.
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Old 12-25-2014, 05:01 PM
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The Peruvian government said it was walked on. That place has been walked on for 1500 years.

It is a put on. It is well known that the desert surface can be broken by walking on it but it also seals back up reasonably quickly if smoothed and left alone. That surface is used in places like the Mojave desert to avoid blowing dust.

Again I don't want to defend a stupid stunt. But that is what it is. Not permanent damage or anything that had not gone on there before.
For the posted article: "Peru says the activists damaged an area around the hummingbird by grinding rocks into the sandy soil. Access to the area around the lines is strictly prohibited."

Source: Peru Says Greenpeace Permanently Damaged Nazca Lines - WSJ
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