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The cost of producing juice via coal/gas/nuclear is only 2-3 cents per kW-hr, but most of us in the US are paying 20-30 cents --the premium being due to taxes--and therefore totally controllable by the powers that be (no pun intended.)
"Nuclear energy is one of America’s lowest-cost “round the clock” electricity sources, with national average production costs at 2.4 cents per kilowatt-hour in 2012. Similarly, the average cost of electricity produced by coal was 3.27 cents per kilowatt-hour, natural gas 3.4 cents." Nuclear Power’s Production Costs Are Low | Nuclear Matt…
And, yes, wind can be as cheap as gas, but not nearly as reliable.
Oh,... and nice cherry pick on that graph-- wind doesn't look nearly as good on some the others cited...and you seem to be silent about PV's excessive costs.
I may be one of the few, but why does cost matter? The way I see it, you cant put a price on protecting the environment. If it is going to a good cause than its worth it in my eyes. Paying my utilities is no different than when I need gas for my car. When my tank is on empty, I stop at the first gas station and fill up. I don't really care what brand it is or the price, if I need gas I will get it; I couldn't even tell you what I pay per gallon as it just one of those things I need and doesn't make sense to shop around. Now if I was shopping for a want rather than a need I will be the first to run a price comparison to get the best deal. In this comparison I see renewable energy sources as a need rather than a want.
I may be one of the few, but why does cost matter? The way I see it, you cant put a price on protecting the environment. If it is going to a good cause than its worth it in my eyes. Paying my utilities is no different than when I need gas for my car. When my tank is on empty, I stop at the first gas station and fill up. I don't really care what brand it is or the price, if I need gas I will get it; I couldn't even tell you what I pay per gallon as it just one of those things I need and doesn't make sense to shop around. Now if I was shopping for a want rather than a need I will be the first to run a price comparison to get the best deal. In this comparison I see renewable energy sources as a need rather than a want.
Any number of the old, poor, disenfranchised etc. etc. who have to decide to buy food or higher dollar electricity would disagree with you.....
"Nuclear energy is one of America’s lowest-cost “round the clock†electricity sources, with national average production costs at 2.4 cents per kilowatt-hour in 2012. Similarly, the average cost of electricity produced by coal was 3.27 cents per kilowatt-hour, natural gas 3.4 cents." Nuclear Power’s Production Costs Are Low | Nuclear Matt…
And, yes, wind can be as cheap as gas, but not nearly as reliable.
Oh,... and nice cherry pick on that graph-- wind doesn't look nearly as good on some the others cited...and you seem to be silent about PV's excessive costs.
From a site called "nuclear matters"? Oh sure, I believe.
From a site called "nuclear matters"? Oh sure, I believe.
OK, Mr. Wizard-- YOU give us a citation for cost of energy production. My point is, it's less than half of what our electric bills show--most of the actual cost to us is tax.
Re: why worry about cost? Ask the one million Germans (~1%) who get the juice cut off each year due to inability to pay. In US, cut-off rate is on the order of 0.1%.
OK, Mr. Wizard-- YOU give us a citation for cost of energy production. My point is, it's less than half of what our electric bills show--most of the actual cost to us is tax.
Re: why worry about cost? Ask the one million Germans (~1%) who get the juice cut off each year due to inability to pay. In US, cut-off rate is on the order of 0.1%.
Guido, I keep trying to help you, but you resist knowledge like an eight year old fights taking a bath. I used your previous source to post a graph of wholesale power costs. It shows wind cheaper than new nuclear and new coal. It's your source. Live with it.
BTW look up terms you quote before you naively assume you know their meaning. "Production cost" in the utility industry is just the operating costs of a plant. That's not the full cost. Do a little studying and get back to us when you actually understand the difference between "busbar cost" and "production cost".
BTW, TreeHuggers-- if you were buying a car and could chose between a reliable make, say, Japanese, and an unreliable make, say, Russian built, and they were both the same price, which would you chose?
How much cheaper would the crummy one have to be before it became a good buy?
But you're telling us we should pat MORE for the unreliable model of electricity?
You can't be reasonable with an unreasonable man.
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