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Old 08-28-2019, 10:32 AM
 
Location: DC
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Thanks to the fossil fuel based back-up plants.
Those would be natural gas fired simple cycle turbines. Great bridge technology -- cheap, easy to site, quick to start, relatively low GHG footprint. Pair some LM6000s with solar and wind. 90% of the energy will come from the renewables and the gas turbine will provide capacity support.
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Old 08-28-2019, 01:50 PM
 
Location: The Driftless Area, WI
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Those would be natural gas fired simple cycle turbines. Great bridge technology -- cheap, easy to site, quick to start, relatively low GHG footprint. Pair some LM6000s with solar and wind. 90% of the energy will come from the renewables and the gas turbine will provide capacity support.

As I understand it, the back-up systems have to be kept running to provide power almost instantaneously in the event of decrease in wind or solar power generation-- which can be sudden.That's obvious for coal- fire which is basically steam power- it takes awhile to build up pressure to turn a generator...But is gas- fired more like an ICE- hit the starter and the alternator is spinning ?
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Old 08-28-2019, 02:59 PM
 
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As I understand it, the back-up systems have to be kept running to provide power almost instantaneously in the event of decrease in wind or solar power generation-- which can be sudden.That's obvious for coal- fire which is basically steam power- it takes awhile to build up pressure to turn a generator...But is gas- fired more like an ICE- hit the starter and the alternator is spinning ?
Your understanding, as always, is deficient. Control areas have spinning reserve and quick start reserve. An 800MW coal fired plant can be lost in an instant. That is a much bigger requirement than wind or solar and requires spinning reserve. Simple cycle gas turbines start like your car engine. They can be started and loaded immediately. Wind doesn't start and stop abruptly. Quick start is fine. Cloud cover blanketing solar has similar characteristics.
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Old 08-29-2019, 05:20 AM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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opps.............
The grid operator for 90% of the state reported more than 5 GW of unplanned outages yesterday, while wind production also dipped.

https://www.utilitydive.com/news/erc...-years/561065/

You can check ERCOTS real time system conditions here. not the amount of demand ve the amount of wind online.....
http://www.ercot.com/content/cdr/htm...onditions.html
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Old 08-29-2019, 05:38 AM
 
Location: The Driftless Area, WI
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Your understanding, as always, is deficient. Control areas have spinning reserve and quick start reserve. An 800MW coal fired plant can be lost in an instant. That is a much bigger requirement than wind or solar and requires spinning reserve. Simple cycle gas turbines start like your car engine. They can be started and loaded immediately. Wind doesn't start and stop abruptly. Quick start is fine. Cloud cover blanketing solar has similar characteristics.


Intelligent analysis will show that that's what I just said. Thanks for obfuscating what I had made more clear.
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Old 08-29-2019, 05:50 AM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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more opps...

Georgetown has lost $8.3 million on its renewable energy contracts from 2016 to 2018 due to depressed energy prices,

https://www.statesman.com/news/20190...-didnt-pay-off
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Old 08-29-2019, 08:18 AM
 
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As I understand it, the back-up systems have to be kept running to provide power almost instantaneously in the event of decrease in wind or solar power generation-- which can be sudden.That's obvious for coal- fire which is basically steam power- it takes awhile to build up pressure to turn a generator...But is gas- fired more like an ICE- hit the starter and the alternator is spinning ?
The highlighted section is incorrect.
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Old 08-29-2019, 08:20 AM
 
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more opps...

Georgetown has lost $8.3 million on its renewable energy contracts from 2016 to 2018 due to depressed energy prices,

https://www.statesman.com/news/20190...-didnt-pay-off
Looks like a contract problem.
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Old 09-01-2019, 11:55 AM
 
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The highlighted section is incorrect.

But explanation deduced in the following two sentences of the post. I posed it as a question hoping
The Great Mastermind here would confirm it. Instead he took the opportunity to only confirm what most others always thought of him.


Keep on trucking.'
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Old 09-01-2019, 04:11 PM
 
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But explanation deduced in the following two sentences of the post. I posed it as a question hoping
The Great Mastermind here would confirm it. Instead he took the opportunity to only confirm what most others always thought of him.


Keep on trucking.'
It is not my task in life to educate the uneducable.
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