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That was some fake kluge math trying to combine Oil and Natural Gas as "equivalents," when we cannot / do not actually burn any serious level of Natural Gas in Transportation -- which is where most of the Oil goes.
Does not work on any legit import / export basis of "Energy" and certainly does not work on import / export of basis of "Money Value."
Here are the Real Charts of the era: (set the charts to three years -- and it covers the timeline)
That was some fake kluge math trying to combine Oil and Natural Gas as "equivalents," when we cannot / do not actually burn any serious level of Natural Gas in Transportation -- which is where most of the Oil goes.
Does not work on any legit import / export basis of "Energy" and certainly does not work on import / export of basis of "Money Value."
Here are the Real Charts of the era: (set the charts to three years -- and it covers the timeline)
Yea, that is what is called cherry picking the data - natural gas is used to produce electricity so part of the entire energy Independence numbers - thermal units is not kluged info, it is a unit of energy measurement - it is a way to put several different sources together in an energy chart. EVs use electricity from natural gas so natural gas is used in transportation.
Your "real" chart is behind a fire wall so can't see the info. But that is ok, the government EIA agency puts out real data not behind a firewall - according to eia.gov, the US is a net exporter of energy since 2019. Even if you use just crude and petroleum products, like you propose, the chart and data they have is that the US is a net exporter since late 2019 - their statement is;
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The United States became a net annual petroleum exporter in 2020. In 2020, the United States exported about 8.51 MMb/d and imported about 7.86 MMb/d of petroleum, making the United States a net annual petroleum exporter for the first time since at least 1949.
The trend for 2021 is looking like may be moving back to oil import dependence.
Suggest you look at the data I listed, the US was a net exporter in 2020 - first time since 1949 - that is a big deal when change a trend that has been there for over 70 years, it is looking like 2021 may not repeat.
The exports were much higher trend than has been, vs essentially no change in imports that you are looking at - the net iesult is not "as has been since 1972"
How much of the change is because we import crude and export refined? Are we really "energy independent?"
I have mixed emotions about using less foreign oil.
Oil is going to be a strategically important resource for the foreseeable future. Anybody really think electric bombers, tanks or nuclear ICBMs can be effectively, efficiently deployed in the next century or two?...Shouldn't we use up THEIR oil before we use up OURS?
Suggest you look at the data I listed, the US was a net exporter in 2020 - first time since 1949 - that is a big deal when change a trend that has been there for over 70 years, it is looking like 2021 may not repeat.
The exports were much higher trend than has been, vs essentially no change in imports that you are looking at - the net iesult is not "as has been since 1972"
You are missing the KEY word -- OIL.
Really -- since 1972 the "Problem" has been Oil.
Back then we produced about 10 Million Barrels per day, and we used about 10 Million Barrels per day.
US Conventional Oil production dropped from that Peak (Peak Oil math is the same everywhere you go).
US Use / Demand kept increasing. Up to around 19 to 20 Million Barrels per day now. Dropped to 18 Million for 2020 -- but that was mostly due to Covid.
After shifting US production to Unconventional Oil / Frack Oil, US now produces 11 to 12 Million Barrels per day . . . So WHERE in the World do you think that difference comes from (18 - 11 = ______(?))
This is some pretty simple math. It is IMPORTED. Tar Sands from Canada, is a large source. If they are importing it to the US -- how do you think US is an EXPORTER?
As far as the Mathemagic of trying to combine the numbers with "Frack Gas" and call it "Energy" . . . or "Oil + Others" and call it "Liquids," that is nothing new to attempt to make the Fat Girl (US) look Thinner. US is still the Fat Girl gobbling up Oil. Back in the 80s and 90s they tried to fake offset the math with Coal Exports and call it BTUs.
But all that Mathemagic comes down to one thing -- Bullsh1t. It is just Bullsh1t.
But the IMPORTANT thing to understand in all that is WHY we go to such effort to cover up the REAL Oil Addiction.
US Oil Addiction is driven by just ONE thing -- Actually around 200+ Million "ONE Thing(s). ICEs -- Internal Combustion Engines. THAT is where most of our Oil Addiction goes directly towards (about 70% or more).
The US Olde Folks aint ready to quit ICEs quite yet. May bankrupt US First, and Pollute the Entire World -- but not quite ready to give up and dump those ICEs that brought US to the dance.
US Made Electric Vehicles -- powered by Renewable Energy can wipe out the entire problem in about 10 to 20 years -- and we would quit Oil Imports in the first 5 . . . but like guido points out -- not just ready, yet.
How much of the change is because we import crude and export refined? Are we really "energy independent?"
I have mixed emotions about using less foreign oil.
Oil is going to be a strategically important resource for the foreseeable future. Anybody really think electric bombers, tanks or nuclear ICBMs can be effectively, efficiently deployed in the next century or two?...Shouldn't we use up THEIR oil before we use up OURS?
The planet (or at least the Human Population) will not survive burning Their (whoever Their is today) or OURS into the Air.
At least that takes care of the Bomber and Nuke Weapon issues. We will have "gassed" ourselves.
IF we stick on burning Imported Oil (or even just US Oil), this is just a question of whether we kill US off or go bankrupt first.
The planet (or at least the Human Population) will not survive burning Their (whoever Their is today) or OURS into the Air.
At least that takes care of the Bomber and Nuke Weapon issues. We will have "gassed" ourselves.
IF we stick on burning Imported Oil (or even just US Oil), this is just a question of whether we kill US off or go bankrupt first.
A calculation based on orders magnitude will show you that If ALL the planet's fossil fuel reserves are immediately turned into CO2 and NONE of it is sequestered in the ocean or biomass, then the atm [co2] would only increase to ~600ppm. (The vast majority of co2 that used to be in the atm in the remote past, up to 8000ppm at some times, is now sequestered in chalk & limestone.)..Given that co2's effect on global temps is no more than 1degC/ doubling of [co2], we would expect temps to increase no more than ~0.5deg C. That would be like moving 50 miles south of wherever you live now...Would that kill everybody?
As I said previously...this conversation is important to plan for what to do when the fossil fuel runs out (maybe sooner than we think)....If you think it's about the environment, then it's just meaningless mental gymnastics.
The US Olde Folks aint ready to quit ICEs quite yet. May bankrupt US First, and Pollute the Entire World -- but not quite ready to give up and dump those ICEs that brought US to the dance.
US Made Electric Vehicles -- powered by Renewable Energy can wipe out the entire problem in about 10 to 20 years -- and we would quit Oil Imports in the first 5 . . . but like guido points out -- not just ready, yet.
what workable method do you have to replace the ICE that doesn't involve stopping for 20-40 minutes every few hours? Are you saying we have to materially lower our standard of living to try some mad, irreversible experiment?
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