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The Draconian EPA started regulating air quality about 50 yrs ago. They added many thousands of dollars to the cost of automobiles that now require $2000 fuel injection systems in order to meet requirements, rather than use a $200 carburetor, not to mention all the sensing devices and computer chips making maintenance & repairs very costly....
The result is that the air is measurably "cleaner" by the metrics they employ, BUT-- rates of asthma & COPD have increased to epidemic proportions over that time span, and IQ averages among inner city kids have not increased at all despite air Pb levels being no longer measurable.
You may think it is a bit funny or maybe not . . .
Looking at doing some Video Challenges for the Climate Challenged.
1. The ICE v EV Closed Garage Challenge.
Spend 1 hour in a Closed Garage with:
A) an operating and "running" EV.
B) an operating and "running" ICE.
Share your results.
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2. The CO2 Plastic Bag Video Challenge.
Place a large clear plastic over your head. Cinch down the neck with a large, long, red "Donald Trump" tie.
Set up a camera to record the wisdom, as the Oxygen in the bag slowly depletes and is replaced with CO2 from your breath. With the bag over your head, explain to the camera:
A) How more CO2 is really actually completely sincerely better for more life.
B) That Volcanos cause CO2.
C) Climate Change is a Secret New World Order Shadow Government Lizard People Conspiracy.
If you survive -- post your video to show how much smarter you are than all the World's Climate Experts.
Good "common sense" reasoning...I guess you've never heard of water intoxication or Oxygen Toxicity? Both are deadly.
I don't think I'd want to be trapped in an EV after an accident and have first responders refuse to use The Jaws of Life to extricate me for fear of electrocution.
I don't claim to be smarter than the climate experts-- just those claiming to be experts, using AGW as a political tool.
BTW-- what warming?---None at all for the last 7 yrs 9 months, and trend since 1996 is only + 0.03 degC-- ie 1/10 th of a deg per CENTURY. During that 25 yrs, [co2] rose 60ppm (+18%). ...Doesn't that kinda eliminate co2 as a major player? http://www.sott.net/image/s30/604683...ch_2021_v6.jpg
Sorry, no, that's not true. Lithium mining is often done on salt flats, places that are desolate and harbor very little life to begin with.
GM is investing in a company that is developing a lithium mine at California's Salton Sea. If you've ever been there it's a stinking, barren, God-forsaken arm pit with little or no environmental value. If there's one place you can have a mine with little impact, it's there.
Actually, the Salton Sea is an important refuge for 400 species of birds, many migratory, but the sea is shrinking so that will no longer be the case in the not-too-distant future.
Many cars produced in Europe, including the Dino Fiat, the first collaboration between Fiat and Ferrari back in the '60s, had a simple toggle switch to be thrown to switch from the gasoline tank to the propane tank. Very simple conversion today, especially with the computerized fuel/air regulation....NG/Me/Propane tanks pose a little problem with high pressures and low range....That still produces a lot of co2 (some naive people seem to think that's a problem). This fuel source is only "cleaner" in the sense that it produces no short chain hydrocarbons in the exhaust like inefficiently burned long chain fuels.
We could also go to wood gas-- Wood is burned slowly under hypoxic conditions to produce Me & H2, which is then burned in the engine. An order of magnitude calculation I did 20 yrs ago said that our forestry slash alone would give us fuel for our natl transportation needs....This was used in European taxis during WWII yrs when gasoline was hard to come by. ...The old tech made it a cumbersome process that produced a lot of tar that fouled engines & air. ...Now we heat our home with a computer regulated system that burns really clean....But start up time can be 15 or 20 minutes, so bank robbers will have to keep the engine running while they're in the bank filling their black valises.
From today's MarketWatch website: "Electric vehicles certainly are dirty — their battery packs are poised to be one of the biggest new sources of pollution."
From today's MarketWatch website: "Electric vehicles certainly are dirty — their battery packs are poised to be one of the biggest new sources of pollution."
Might want to read the "story" rather than just the headline - it is an opinion piece with a lot of speculation and hypothetical's not backed by facts and makes the case to recycle EV batteries;
"If no action is taken, battery waste could become a big problem not only for the car industry, but also for the environment."
So it is saying if do nothing, it could be a problem - isn't that true of almost anything that is being disposed?
"Although Li-ion batteries are classified by the federal government as non-hazardous waste and are safe for disposal in the normal municipal waste stream, several studies have shown they can contaminate the water."
So basically non-hazardous and safe for disposing like any trash but MAY contaminate water if not disposed of properly - again like anything else that is disposed of. On the other hand, motor oil IS considered hazardous, cannot be disposed like any trash and WILL contaminate water. This opinion sounds like pulling at straws because can not point to anything substantive.
"If done correctly, we could see recycling efforts offset a good deal of the ecological and economical cost of EV battery production. If not, the result could be a situation that’s much worse than the plastic pollution that’s fouling up oceans."
So if recycle it will reduce costs, if don't somehow equivalent of plastic pollution in the ocean - sounds like cost effective to recycle and reduce pollution - so why would not recycle.
Sounds like the title should have been "recycling EV batteries should be done" but that doesn't make a good headline like "electric vehicles certainly do pollute" .
Catch 22...As battery costs come down, recycling becomes less economically attactive. OTOH-- the more Li extracted from the ground as EVs come to dominate, the more costly the extraction process becomes as the easy to mine sources are depleted.
Thru the yrs, we've come to accept the costs involved with using ICEs....As fossil fuels are depleted, we will be forced to turn to EVs. The question will become whether or not those associated expenses wil be competitive with our previous expectations, or will they be more expensive? If more expensive, the costs of goods will rise. If costs rise, demand falls. If demand falls, jobs will be lost etc etc....A new normal will be established....Will that represent a step backwards in the standard of living?
A new normal will be established....Will that represent a step backwards in the standard of living?
Don't you understand that's the whole "green" agenda, for the peasants and hired help? Of course Kamala will continue to take a private jet to promote the "climate" agenda.
--just had my first good laugh for the day...read an article about a study on the poterntial health effects of living near Wind Farms (small study using a metric of questionable clinical significance, not worthy of using to draw a meaningful conclusion, but suggestive for further research)....One of the comments after the article asked--
"If they're so good for the environment, why don't they put them in Yellowstone or Yosemite?"
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