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Old 09-03-2021, 08:46 AM
 
Location: Lawton,OK
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1. crappy products that don't last long and end up as waste
2. making computer hardware obsolete at fast pace on purpose generating e-waste
3. the lack of convenient recycling facilities and means in my area: if my apartment manager would supply tenants a special Recycling dumpster, I would gladly use it for clean cardboard and whatnot
4. online shopping: shipping creates more material waste for packing than if things were bought otherwise at a local brick-n-mortar store, then there is all that fuel UPS/FedEx trucks use to deliver amazon/eBay orders to your door
5. overpopulation of humans: the biggest ecological culprit of them all: more people = more waste, more litter and more pollution
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Old 09-03-2021, 11:06 AM
 
Location: USA
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1. crappy products that don't last long and end up as waste
2. making computer hardware obsolete at fast pace on purpose generating e-waste
3. the lack of convenient recycling facilities and means in my area: if my apartment manager would supply tenants a special Recycling dumpster, I would gladly use it for clean cardboard and whatnot
4. online shopping: shipping creates more material waste for packing than if things were bought otherwise at a local brick-n-mortar store, then there is all that fuel UPS/FedEx trucks use to deliver amazon/eBay orders to your door
5. overpopulation of humans: the biggest ecological culprit of them all: more people = more waste, more litter and more pollution
So?
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Old 09-03-2021, 03:22 PM
 
Location: East of Seattle since 1992, 615' Elevation, Zone 8b - originally from SF Bay Area
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Isn't Casper WY the home of big Mining, Quarrying, & Oil & Gas Extraction?

We were there to visit a friend in 1980 when there was a big building boom to provide housing, mostly double-wides to accommodate the oil workers. There have been many oil refineries there since, and even now Sinclair is operating one producing 30,000-barrels-per-day there, with 150 employees and 25 contractors.
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Old 09-03-2021, 04:21 PM
 
Location: on the wind
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An epiphany! Where've you been OP? Still, I suppose most people crawl out from under their rock eventually. Better late than never.

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Old 09-03-2021, 08:22 PM
 
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As for delivery truck fuel used when delivery to homes, if the product is on a shelf at a store the consumer would have to spend fuel to get to the store. Delivery to homes may be less fuel overall because only products actually bought are shipped. Whereas products no one buys were shipped to the store, and fuel wasted. I don't know for sure though.

Also, non-modern societies have ruined their local environment. Such as deforestation in ancient Roman, for one. Then they let the animals over graze, which kept the forest from regrowing, causing silt, gravel washouts that polluted streams etc

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Old 09-04-2021, 08:47 AM
 
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Ted Z said it best . . .

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The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
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https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Theodore_Kaczynski
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Old 09-04-2021, 08:49 AM
 
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5. overpopulation of humans: the biggest ecological culprit of them all: more people = more waste, more litter and more pollution
So what is the magic, ideal number?
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Old 09-04-2021, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Middle America
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And yet, all of those matters are by personal choice and preference.

I'm not saying I agree with them, or that these matters are not hazardous, but we can't regulate the desires and wishes of millions of persons.

A person can bang his/her head against the wall for all the problems we can't control, or shift to the other side and positively / optimistically focus on matters that can be improved upon.

We continue to become over time more and more of a nation of winers and complainers. That's not how we originally became a large and strong country. No problem will be solved by armchair bellyachers.
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Old 09-04-2021, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Nebraska
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1. crappy products that don't last long and end up as waste
2. making computer hardware obsolete at fast pace on purpose generating e-waste
3. the lack of convenient recycling facilities and means in my area: if my apartment manager would supply tenants a special Recycling dumpster, I would gladly use it for clean cardboard and whatnot
4. online shopping: shipping creates more material waste for packing than if things were bought otherwise at a local brick-n-mortar store, then there is all that fuel UPS/FedEx trucks use to deliver amazon/eBay orders to your door
5. overpopulation of humans: the biggest ecological culprit of them all: more people = more waste, more litter and more pollution
The cause of all our problems is number 5. Everybody talks about all these problems but I have never heard anyone having a solution. I guess everyone just likes to talk.
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Old 09-04-2021, 02:24 PM
 
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1. crappy products that don't last long and end up as waste
2. making computer hardware obsolete at fast pace on purpose generating e-waste
3. the lack of convenient recycling facilities and means in my area: if my apartment manager would supply tenants a special Recycling dumpster, I would gladly use it for clean cardboard and whatnot
4. online shopping: shipping creates more material waste for packing than if things were bought otherwise at a local brick-n-mortar store, then there is all that fuel UPS/FedEx trucks use to deliver amazon/eBay orders to your door
5. overpopulation of humans: the biggest ecological culprit of them all: more people = more waste, more litter and more pollution
I recently read current human population numbers would have to be spread out over 3.5 earths to be sustainable. If humans suddenly disappeared, the planet would thrive. It's too bad people don't want to admit that overpopulation of any species is unsustainable, especially one that serves no natural purpose = people.
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