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Old 06-09-2009, 02:10 PM
 
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My wife is allergic to dairy products. So the soy route for her is the only way, but she does miss cream and cheeses. Here is the best brand of soy products sold here in Scandinavia. Though I'd rather have milk, these Alpro Soy Mjölk Products really are'nt that bad.
Do any stores carry these? My son is allergic as well
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Old 06-09-2009, 03:06 PM
 
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I'd rather not drink milk than drink Soy or even 2% milk. Whole milk is the only yone I enjoy; otherwsie I can just skip it.
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Old 06-09-2009, 04:08 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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I like soy "milk", but it's not milk...it's soy juice. To have milk you need a teet, and their ain't one on a soy bean.
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Old 06-09-2009, 05:08 PM
 
Location: New Albany, Indiana (Greater Louisville)
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In terms of carbon pollution it may be debatable, but in terms of treatment towards animals soy is much better morally.

On the small farm my mother grew up on a cow was only milked after it calved every couple of years. A cow in a commercial milk factory (do not confuse with a farm) is milked nonstop for years. If it stops producing milk they get it pregnant and then abort its calf to keep the milk flowing. In addition soy milk also has tons of fiber and vitamins that regular milk doesn't have.

People that don't like the taste of the powdered stuff need to try the chocolate or vanilla flavored soy in a half gallon container.
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Old 06-09-2009, 05:58 PM
 
Location: Central Texas
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People get issues confused sometimes and end up fighting the wrong battles.

Instead of trying to get people to stop eating things that CAN be produced in a less than humane manner, work to get people to insist that the food they eat (animal or vegetable - vegetables have feelings, too, evidently, if research is to be believed ) is raised in a humane manner, and preferably locally. Fight factory farming (of whatever variety), not the diets of others.
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Old 06-09-2009, 06:19 PM
 
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So much false statements posted here I dont know where to begin.

censusdata-------cows are bred to freshen to calve once a year-------big dairy or small farm

Cows are milked for 10 months after calving, get a 2 month rest before calving again--------big dairy or small farm

ABORTING a pregnancy would solve nothing cuz a cow needs a calving period to " kick in " the milk production--------big dairy or small farm

Also, if cows were aborted, where would heifers come from for replacements?-------big dairy or small farm alike--
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Old 06-09-2009, 06:28 PM
 
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I have dairy farmed using a grass/legume base for the last 16 years.( rotational grazing from early May til mid October )

We still feed the cows corn gran at milking time cuz corn is an energy feed and we don't want the cows to milk themselves skinny and be hard to breed back.

I don't know of any dairy farm that relies primarily on corn grain to feed dairy cows.

Even on poster Broken Tap's family farm where they feed both haylage and corn sileage. Corn sileage is a --forage-- and not a grain.

Broken Tap says they can get 25 tons per acre when they harvest corn sileage.
If the grain yield is 100 bushels per acre, that means that roughly 89% of that is a forage ( stalks,leaves, husks, and cobs, ) and only 11% is actually grain.


I know of--no-- dairy that relies on corn /grain as the primary feed for its dairy cows.

If you posters know of some, please prove me wrong .
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Old 06-09-2009, 06:32 PM
 
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If you are feeding cattle soy then I think it's time to become a vegan. Steers and cows where intended to feed on grass not corn or soy. Corn and soy fed beef are sick and consuming those products from these ill-fed livestock compromises the health of those that consume them.
FYI: Many food companies are now using soy oil in their products because corn products are now more expensive. Hellman's mayo is one of them. People with thyroid problems should not use soy products. Others may have digestive problems due to the hidden soy in processed foods. Read the labels!
Got milk...stay with the real thing, enjoy and be healthy.
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Old 06-09-2009, 06:34 PM
 
Location: Central Texas
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I have dairy farmed using a grass/legume base for the last 16 years.( rotational grazing from early May til mid October )

We still feed the cows corn gran at milking time cuz corn is an energy feed and we don't want the cows to milk themselves skinny and be hard to breed back.

I don't know of any dairy farm that relies primarily on corn grain to feed dairy cows.

Even on poster Broken Tap's family farm where they feed both haylage and corn sileage. Corn sileage is a --forage-- and not a grain.

Broken Tap says they can get 25 tons per acre when they harvest corn sileage.
If the grain yield is 100 bushels per acre, that means that roughly 89% of that is a forage ( stalks,leaves, husks, and cobs, ) and only 11% is actually grain.


I know of--no-- dairy that relies on corn /grain as the primary feed for its dairy cows.

If you posters know of some, please prove me wrong .

Did you read the article that I linked to?
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Old 06-09-2009, 06:42 PM
 
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Yes I did.

He mentioned---flax--but also mentioned it was very expensive.

Also, Vermont may be milder than Minnesota, but I'll bet he can't graze many more months than me and will have to rely on stored forages for those months--------just like conventional dairy farms elsewhere.
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