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Sports franchises don't go by MSAs; they look more at CSAs and DMAs as sports teams have pull for miles and miles around.
I understand that and didn't say otherwise (was more of a tangent comment). I also find it a bit arbitrary how they judge MSAs. Hampton Roads is one region and the Triad is two. Makes no sense.
As far as a region as a whole though, the Triad is one of the bigger areas without a pro team, but would also be one of the smallest with one. I haven't done the research, but I can only think of one that is surely smaller (Green Bay).
Technically the Triad is divided into two MSAs but it's still one region. It doesn't change commuting patterns and if the Triad's population ever become large enough in the the far future for let's say a second NBA team in the state, they aren't going to look at the Greensboro - High Point MSA and the Winston-Salem MSA as separate regions. But then again if the Triad's population got that large the government would redefine the entire Triad as one MSA.
I still don't understand why they separated Greensboro and Winston-Salem in the first place They also separated Raleigh from Durham and Chapel Hill. It makes no logical sense. But at the same time they kept these regions entacted as a Combined MSA.
Technically the Triad is divided into two MSAs but it's still one region. It doesn't change commuting patterns and if the Triad's population ever become large enough in the the far future for let's say a second NBA team in the state, they aren't going to look at the Greensboro - High Point MSA and the Winston-Salem MSA as separate regions. But then again if the Triad's population got that large the government would redefine the entire Triad as one MSA.
I still don't understand why they separated Greensboro and Winston-Salem in the first place They also separated Raleigh from Durham and Chapel Hill. It makes no logical sense. But at the same time they kept these regions entacted as a Combined MSA.
Greensboro, NC and Winston-Salem, NC are two MSAs. Yet Gloucester County, VA and Gates County, NC are are one MSA for some reason. Take a look at a map and see how ridiculous that is.
I understand the MSA designation won't affect the Triad's ability to get a team (nor did I ever say it did). The reason the comment was there was more discussing the ranking of areas and I was simply commenting that technically it's two MSAs... even if it really is one true region. My point still stands that other than Green Bay, I can't think of a smaller area that does have a pro team.
Greensboro, NC and Winston-Salem, NC are two MSAs. Yet Gloucester County, VA and Gates County, NC are are one MSA for some reason. Take a look at a map and see how ridiculous that is.
I understand the MSA designation won't affect the Triad's ability to get a team (nor did I ever say it did). The reason the comment was there was more discussing the ranking of areas and I was simply commenting that technically it's two MSAs... even if it really is one true region. My point still stands that other than Green Bay, I can't think of a smaller area that does have a pro team.
I agree it makes no sense whatsoever. It's almost if it was purposely done to keep metro population numbers down in some of these areas because I can't think of any other reason why it was done. Thousands of people commute between Greensboro and Winston-Salem as well as between Raleigh and Durham every day. The commuting pattern alone should be enough to keep these cities in one MSA. Yet Charlotte stays completely intact and then adds more counties far into South Carolina. It probably benefits Charlotte having the Triangle and Triad split up at least on paper. Maybe the politicians who drew up the newer MSA lines are from Charlotte lol. It potentially has an impact on federal funding in some smaller communities that were once a part of a larger MSA. I'm starting to believe that the newer MSA designations are political in nature almost like a form of gerrymandering because nothing seems to be consistent.
I agree it makes no sense whatsoever. It's almost if it was purposely done to keep metro population numbers down in some of these areas because I can't think of any other reason why it was done. Thousands of people commute between Greensboro and Winston-Salem as well as between Raleigh and Durham every day. The commuting pattern alone should be enough to keep these cities in one MSA. Yet Charlotte stays completely intact and then adds more counties far into South Carolina. It probably benefits Charlotte having the Triangle and Triad split up at least on paper. Maybe the politicians who drew up the newer MSA lines are from Charlotte lol. It potentially has an impact on federal funding in some smaller communities that were once a part of a larger MSA. I'm starting to believe that the newer MSA designations are political in nature almost like a form of gerrymandering because nothing seems to be consistent.
Mecklenburg county (Charlotte) has a much stronger economic influence within it's region & that's why Charlotte's msa continues to add counties. Although many people commute between Greensboro& Winston-Salem, you also have to factor in recreation,shopping & entertainment which most residents of either city can find without having to go to the other.
I understand that and didn't say otherwise (was more of a tangent comment). I also find it a bit arbitrary how they judge MSAs. Hampton Roads is one region and the Triad is two. Makes no sense.
Actually it makes plenty of sense when you think about it. Hampton Roads is geographically constrained and this is why the seven primary cities of the region all bleed into each other and are all part of one urbanized area. By contrast, Greensboro and Winston don't even touch and have their own clear spheres of influence (although they start overlapping somewhere around Kernersville) and urbanized areas.
Actually it makes plenty of sense when you think about it. Hampton Roads is geographically constrained and this is why the seven primary cities of the region all bleed into each other and are all part of one urbanized area. By contrast, Greensboro and Winston don't even touch and have their own clear spheres of influence (although they start overlapping somewhere around Kernersville) and urbanized areas.
True. I think Kernersville city limits either touch Greensboro or it's really close to doing so. Kernersville annexed into Guilford County. I know Kernersville touches Winston-Salem.
True. I think Kernersville city limits either touch Greensboro or it's really close to doing so. Kernersville annexed into Guilford County. I know Kernersville touches Winston-Salem.
K'ville and G'boro are about 2 miles apart at their closest point.
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