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Old 09-01-2012, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Aiken, South Carolina, US of A
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gvsteve,
No. They shouldn't raise taxes to pay for the roads.
Politicans get that tax money and it disappears.
The businesses in the area should pay for the roads.
Their employees use the roads, they have giant trucks that use
the roads, they should pay for them.
No more higher taxes to politicans who collect it and then they say
"We just don't have the funds".
Mabey a car use fee paid to a "fix the roads" fund for SC would work.
The busineses have to pay to fix the roads.
The era of government stealing has to stop.
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Old 09-01-2012, 12:43 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Butterfly4u View Post
Why doesn't the Spartenburg government ask the BMW plant to make up the
difference in cost that they can't afford?
Why not?
They make money in Spartenburg, and their employees use the
roads, and so does the company.
If local and State government can't afford to fix the roads,
the major companies in the area will have to pay for it.
Right?
And then BMW tells Spartanburg to bite them, closes the plant and puts thousands of people out of work. It is much easier for us all to share the burden of repairing the roads. We just need to insure that the funds get to where they need to be.
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Old 09-02-2012, 12:27 PM
 
Location: Not where you ever lived
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What people in the south don't understand about roads in the north is the "heave and thaw" caused by cold winters. Roads contract and expand and sometime the result is not very pleasant. LA roads have been under seize for 10 years that I can remember.

Illinois has the 5th largest population in the nation, and it is sandwiched between tow large METRO areas. . There are 4 Interstate that criss-cross the state plus 3 more in Chicago and one that is further south than St. Louis, I-55 in particular is very heavily traveled.with major cities and several large universities.
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Old 09-02-2012, 12:32 PM
 
Location: Aiken, South Carolina, US of A
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So President OBama wasn't WRONG when he addressed big corporations
and told them they didn't pay for the roads and bridges?
You have heard it all over the news lately.
He addressed the big Corps. and said that the American people
have to pay for roads and bridges, "You didn't build that".
That is what he told them.
BMW doesn't pay one dime in federal tax to the US government.
They are British. They don't have to.
I make you a bet they have a sweetheart deal with the county
and State of SC in regards to state and local taxes.
So you and I will pay for all the infrastructure improvements
in the country at the county and State level, and the Corporations
will all get off scot free.
Romney want s to do away with the Dept. of Transportion.
Boy, is South Carolina going to be screwed.
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Old 09-02-2012, 01:48 PM
 
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What I found in 4 minutes.
Primarily, BMW contributes to community development through state and local taxes and fees. This revenue would otherwise not be available if the company had not chosen the South Carolina location in the early 1990s. Company records show that total taxes and duties paid for 1993 through June 2008 amounted to $1.9 billion.
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Old 09-02-2012, 04:51 PM
 
Location: Greenville, SC
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What I found in 4 minutes.
Primarily, BMW contributes to community development through state and local taxes and fees. This revenue would otherwise not be available if the company had not chosen the South Carolina location in the early 1990s. Company records show that total taxes and duties paid for 1993 through June 2008 amounted to $1.9 billion.
That's wildly inaccurate. Go back and reread what you read.

Here is what the taxpayer originally pitched in. What the taxpayer built:

A property tax abatement or set “fee-in-lieu” of taxes (FILOT), valued at over $70 million over 20 years
(explained below).
• Labor training through the technical college system valued at $5 million. This is customized job training
through the special schools division of the State Board of Technical and Comprehensive Education, which
provides training to South Carolinians for new employment made by corporate investment.
• A standard job creation income tax credit ($300 to $1,500 per new job created) valued at $2.85 million per
year for up to 15 years. The state of South Carolina has a five percent corporate profits tax. For BMW, the
state established a multi-county industrial park (explained below) with a jobs tax credit for every perma-
nent, full-time job created. In five years at $1,500 per job, this would be worth $15 million for 2,000 jobs.
Unused credits can be carried forward for ten years.
• Industrial revenue bonds issued by the state that carry lower interest rates than those offered directly in
financial markets.
• A plant site was purchased and then leased to BMW at $1 per year. The land was purchased by the state,
the Ports Authority, and Spartanburg County. The government agreed to purchase 900 acres of land near
the Greenville-Spartanburg airport for an estimated cost of $36.6 million; the state committed about $31.6
million, and the local government about $5 million. In addition to land, the state offered site improvements
including sewers, utilities, and road improvements such as a highway overpass and commitment to widen
existing roads along Interstate 85
. There was also a $55 million project at the adjacent airport for various
improvements, including lengthening and strengthening a runway to accommodate a fully loaded 747
aircraft. The Federal Aviation Administration funded 90 percent of this project; the state paid for the
remainder.

$6 million in revenue bonds issued by Spartanburg County to acquire property and improve utilities.
$10 million allocated for road work to improve roads around the plant site.


BMW literally didn't build these things, the taxpayer did.

In return, BMW plant is estimated to have added $1.9 billion to the US economy over the lifetime of the plant, including all of the suppliers to BMW. (not $1.9billion in taxes, lol)

Now that intitial investment was arguably worth it, but without taxpayer money, the plant would not have been built. That was the President's point.

We built that, so that BMW could build that.

But when we cut the funds for the original investments, the companies can't start and thrive like we would want, if at all. If we cut the Federal budget like the Republicans propose, plants like BMW will go somewhere else, and all the economic benefits they provide will go with them. That's what the President was saying.

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Old 09-02-2012, 06:02 PM
 
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Art123: Yes, you do get it!
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Old 09-02-2012, 06:09 PM
 
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Hey, I did a copy and paste. She asked about taxes paid, not investment.
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Old 09-03-2012, 06:00 AM
 
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Art123 I couldn't rep you again, but I'm glad someone sat down and organized all this. Great Post!
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Old 09-03-2012, 06:38 AM
 
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Great post! I figured there are massive incentives to build in rural-er areas. I wonder what the state does with the $1 they get in rent!
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