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Old 11-24-2013, 11:55 AM
 
Location: Kahala
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Anyone remember when you could buy books of inter-island flight coupons? It was before I flew here, so I'm not sure how they worked. Anyone know the details and whether they could do something like that again?
Coupons generally came in books of 6 and the flight was about $50 one-way. That was about 12 years ago. Given how much higher jet fuel is today and how much higher taxes, landing fees, and other costs, the price of a ticket is as competitive today or more so than 12 years ago.

Coupons are a pre 9/11 concept and with security precautions and electronic ticketing, coupons aren't coming back.

Want to go to the neighbor islands cheaply? That was what the superferry was supposed to do. Just saying.

A lot of people have moved to Hawaii in the past few years and forget about the Hawaii fare wars when go! entered the market. It was a matter of when, not if, Aloha or Hawaiian would go out of business. Thousands of people lost their jobs due to those unsustainable fares.

Here is a good story where someone predicted it.

Interisland Fare War

Why do you think nobody likes Southwest enters the Hawaii inter-island market? Because the math doesn't work to offer fares lower than they are today.

Getting rid of the Superferry doomed cheap transit between the islands.
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Old 11-24-2013, 02:27 PM
 
Location: East Fallowfield, PA
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Coupons generally came in books of 6 and the flight was about $50 one-way. That was about 12 years ago. Given how much higher jet fuel is today and how much higher taxes, landing fees, and other costs, the price of a ticket is as competitive today or more so than 12 years ago.

Coupons are a pre 9/11 concept and with security precautions and electronic ticketing, coupons aren't coming back.

Want to go to the neighbor islands cheaply? That was what the superferry was supposed to do. Just saying.

A lot of people have moved to Hawaii in the past few years and forget about the Hawaii fare wars when go! entered the market. It was a matter of when, not if, Aloha or Hawaiian would go out of business. Thousands of people lost their jobs due to those unsustainable fares.

Here is a good story where someone predicted it.

Interisland Fare War

Why do you think nobody likes Southwest enters the Hawaii inter-island market? Because the math doesn't work to offer fares lower than they are today.

Getting rid of the Superferry doomed cheap transit between the islands.
^^^^Yep,yep, yep, what he said!
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Old 11-27-2013, 02:01 AM
 
Location: Moku Nui, Hawaii
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Wasn't it about $20 each way when Mahalo was flying? Sometimes down to $16 or so, too, when they were having a sale, wasn't it? That was awhile ago, though, but flight coupons were cheap enough that visiting other islands was something you could do without thinking much about it. There also weren't any TSAs so folks would be running through the airport to catch the plane as it was shutting it's doors. And, there wasn't much baggage rules, so you'd see surfboards sticking up above the seats, a box under the seat would be crowing and a whole highschool football team would be in the back with a five foot tall trophy. Doubt we will see that sort of inter-island flights again.

I'd much prefer to fly on the little planes. Much easier dealing with getting in and out of the little airports. If you have friends with planes and offer to buy them fuel, sometimes they will choose to do the take offs and landings they need to keep their license current at an airport of your choice.

Just did a trip to Oahu via your favorite airline, Whtvip. No more peanuts or pretzels, just juice or water. Oh well, it's not like we are gonna starve after all. It was only $150 round trip and that included all the taxes and such so I think the fare started out around $68 each way. The automated checkout is handy and somehow our boarding pass said we were "pre-checked" by the TSA's so as VIP "pre-checked" folks, we were allowed to leave our slippers on, go in the shorter line and had we been wearing a hat, we could have kept it on, too. Although Hawaiian has nothing to do with the TSAs so one can't really lump the TSA experience in as part of the airline experience.
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Old 11-27-2013, 02:37 AM
 
Location: not sure, but there's a hell of a lot of water around here!
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Hotzcatz,
Speaking of flying, remember Air Hawaii from the 1985 or so? They had an ad in the Advertiser, full page, buy four mainland/Honolulu tickets, get eight free!!! And, the offer was good for Hawaii residents ONLY!!! The whole deal was eight hundred dollars, as I recall, and one of the originators was Nick from Nicks Fishmarket Restaurant in Waikiki.. I bought one of the books, went to the mainland for Christmas, gave my parents two round trips for a present. My folks came over to Maui, stayed at my place for a month or so, during that time, Air Hawaii went belly up. At least they got half way as a gift... Then, one of the VPs for AH was found dead in a rental car above Waimanalo, the car had burnt, his body was inside, with a bullet wound to the head, it was ruled a suicide...........

Only in Hawaii


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Old 11-27-2013, 06:55 AM
 
Location: Lahaina, Hi.
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In the late 1960s/early 1970s, add-on tickets were sold which allowed one to visit other islands for $7.00 per segment. In order to qualify, you had to have purchased a round-trip flight from the mainland. Then, during that ticket's validity period, you could add flights for this price. In 1973, we flew from Oahu to Kauai for the day, then on to Maui that evening. The next evening we flew back to Oahu...$21.00 for the trip. Hawaiian residents had to pay much more to travel inter-island, and were unhappy about it. Who could blame them? If you had one of these tickets, car rentals were even less! Again, locals had to pay extra.
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Old 12-25-2013, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Middle of the valley
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Not really the place for every sale, OP was looking for some general information. Mahalo.
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Old 12-26-2013, 04:59 PM
 
Location: Montana
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OpenD, as a commercial pilot with all ratings. Is there much private flying going on in the Islands? Also, is it normal or can you fly a single engine frome one Island to another? Like a C-152 or C-172?
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Old 01-10-2014, 02:10 PM
 
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Hi there, i am an outsider.
Since a lot of hawaiians does not live on Oahu, flying seem to be a big expenditure for those who don't live on Oahu.
How often do non-Oahu hawaiians goto Honolulu?
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Old 01-12-2014, 11:55 AM
 
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Thanks for the info and the entertainment. Considering relocating at retirement and found this blog to be helpful. And, the interaction to be informative and a little entertaining.. Still - all information no matter what form is appreciated. - Play nice!
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Old 01-14-2014, 06:07 PM
 
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Why do you think nobody likes Southwest enters the Hawaii inter-island market? Because the math doesn't work to offer fares lower than they are today.
A big challenge is also acft type. The B717, CRJ and B732/DC-9 have the advantage since the engine design allows for multiple short hops. The CFM engines of the B73G/A32X requires a longer time between cycles.

Part of AQ's demise was their increased use of the B73G on the inter-island routes which required more time between cycles (yes, they also used the B732). This is why HA has acquired more B717s rather than introducing an different acft type. Ohana's ATR-42s are more of a capacity / performance issue at Molokai / Lanai.
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