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I was flipping thru the mobile Huffington Post at lunch today - essentially it was more or less bashing the southern US in terms of poverty, advancement, healthcare, etc - and yep, it looked pretty bad if you are in the South.
But what I found interesting is things are pretty good in Hawaii:
In terms of percentage of population in poverty, Hawaii is doing very well compared to the bulk of the US. Oahu's 10% is among the best in the nation (BI jumps to 20% though) - the state overall comes in at 12%, which compares favorably the top tier of least impoverished states.
Another interesting statistic, climbing the ladder. They keep statistics on if you are in the bottom fifth of income, what are the chances of you rising to the top fifth. Oahu comes in ok again, at 10%, beating places like Chicago, LA, Boston, Portland, and NY. Honolulu ranks #9 in absolute upward mobility in the top 100 metro areas.
My personal experience backs that up. I worked my way from a cashier to pretty well paid jobs in administrative/financial management. I always tried to learn everything about where I worked, and become a valued employee.
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....Another interesting statistic, climbing the ladder. They keep statistics on if you are in the bottom fifth of income, what are the chances of you rising to the top fifth. Oahu comes in ok again, at 10%, beating places like Chicago, LA, Boston, Portland, and NY. Honolulu ranks #9 in absolute upward mobility in the top 100 metro areas.
I would hazard a guess that is due to the manner in which companies in Hawaii try not to hire people from the mainland, unless that person has a skillset that they simply cannot find locally. In Hawaii, its all about who you know and who you are related to.
In Hawaii, its all about who you know and who you are related to.
I agree, especially in times like the economic downturn in 2008. With unemployment so low right now, pretty much anyone can get hired (at least on Oahu) - I'd say well over 50% of the new hire management employees in the past year where I work are from the mainland due to the low unemployment rate.
Guys im not completely unreasonable, Anytime you put in an hr of work you rising up. As i was saying the ideal that 10% of the bottom fifth of income, have a chance of rising to the top fifth, thats 1 person out of every 10 who work just as hard and makes all the same good choices as the top fifth, will make it. Thats not good odds. I would then assume that it would be 2 of every 10 who will make it to a middle class income right? But its great thats better then most of the country. But it doesn't do all that great for the betterment of everyone.
As i was saying the ideal that 10% of the bottom fifth of income, have a chance of rising to the top fifth, thats 1 person out of every 10 who work just as hard and makes all the same good choices as the top fifth, will make it. Thats not good odds. I would then assume that it would be 2 of every 10 who will make it to a middle class income right? But its great thats better then most of the country. But it doesn't do all that great for the betterment of everyone.
The article doesn't say - if 10 people work just as hard then 1 out 10 will rise to the top fifth. It simply says, 1 out 10 will rise to the top fifth.
That is very true. It's interesting that stats-wise, NY ranks lower. But in NY, if you're good at what you do, you get hired and promoted. In HI, if you're good at what you do, but from the mainland or have the wrong look, you make $9/hr answering phones. Period. So the yuppie element completely depends on ethnicity.
whtviper1, I like the stats, but I'd believe them a little more if I hadn't been told at so many interviews that no one would ever hire a "haole chick."
whtviper1, I like the stats, but I'd believe them a little more if I hadn't been told at so many interviews that no one would ever hire a "haole chick."
Many companies have told you this? Even knowing that in a lot of cases, companies prefer to hire locals, I would be shocked if you were sitting in interviews and you were told that once, let alone a lot.
Trust me, the state is filled with employed haole chicks.
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whtviper1, I like the stats, but I'd believe them a little more if I hadn't been told at so many interviews that no one would ever hire a "haole chick."
Hmmm, the only time I ever hear that term is on this forum and Hawaii Five-O
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