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As much as I agree the outer islands are absolutely not anywhere close to being self-sufficient without Oahu, those on the outer islands were not given the opportunity to vote on rail and therefore shouldn't be required to pay for any part of it (outside of their share of federal taxes, of course). If they did vote, rail wouldn't exist.
This GET talk is all nonsense. Oahu should raise the gas tax by 50 cents and use those funds to help complete rail. We need to hurry up and get rail built so all those in the west side can start experiencing what they voted for - an even more hellish commute.
Oahu stops subsidizing the outer islands. You all become self sufficient. Once self sufficient we won't bother you with a Oahu project. Fair? Oh by the way, the outer islands are just some 3rd world pacific islands without Oahu money. At best, Maui would barely make it. And barely at that with massive tax increases
Who do you think who pays for most of the large pubic projects on BI? (Hint:Oahu residents)
"Outer islands" and "large pubic projects" in Hawaiʻi? Apparently, someone went to "happy hour" a little early…
"How about the $75 million dollar Kona Airport expansion project"
HNL is at full capacity for international travelers and there is no room to expand. KOA has been designated as the alternate point of entrance for international travelers. Many of those entering the KOA gateway will be continuing on to HNL and spending their money there.
"Oh come on, you can't be so naive as to think the outer islands are self sufficient."
Of course they aren't because we are all on a "mainland economy". I think it's as crazy as you probably do that big island cattle are sent to the mainland, processed, and then sent back to Oahu for the resorts to serve to tourists.
"Who do you think funds Hilo hospital?"
When I go, it's me and Blue Cross / Blue Shield. I can't comment further about Obamacare or other failed public-healthcare systems because I know little about them. But I guarantee you haven't spent a penny on my health care.
"Who shoulders the public assistance programs - you'd have no healthcare as you know it, who has to support all those folks in Puna who have no money....."
Public assistance programs are funded by federal dollars. SNAP (food stamps), welfare, section 8, medicaid, etc.
"I don't think Oahu residents gets a great return on its investment on the BI."
So asking BI residents to fund a rail system they will never see is a good idea?
"How about the $75 million dollar Kona Airport expansion project"
HNL is at full capacity for international travelers and there is no room to expand. KOA has been designated as the alternate point of entrance for international travelers. Many of those entering the KOA gateway will be continuing on to HNL and spending their money there.
That's one of the funniest things you have ever written - and you write some funny things. Let me net it out, that is incorrect.
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"Who do you think funds Hilo hospital?"
When I go, it's me and Blue Cross / Blue Shield. I can't comment further about Obamacare or other failed public-healthcare systems because I know little about them. But I guarantee you haven't spent a penny on my health care.
Hilo Medical Center would not exist without state funding as it is a STATE hospital - so of course I contribute to your healthcare - you'd have no hospital otherwise.
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"Who shoulders the public assistance programs - you'd have no healthcare as you know it, who has to support all those folks in Puna who have no money....."
Public assistance programs are funded by federal dollars. SNAP (food stamps), welfare, section 8, medicaid, etc.
Take a look at the state budget sometime - you are misinformed. SOME federal dollars - MANY state dollars
Take a look at the state budget sometime - you are misinformed. SOME federal dollars - MANY state dollars
Actually, it's probably best if folks from the Neighbor Islands don't look at the state budget, because they'd realize how screwed they are. Here's a link to the 153-page, State of Hawaiʻi "Budget in Brief" for 2017-19… https://budget.hawaii.gov/wp-content...L-12.15.16.pdf
In a nutshell, as far as the Honolulu rail system is concerned, the state is praying that Donald and Matt give it a grant, robbing Harry, Alan, and Bryan, getting a loan from Peter, Robert, Connie, and Haruhiko (and just about everybody else), and hoping that Panos, Randy, Ben, and Kekau keep their mouths shut, so that it can pay Kirk and his cronies.
Personally I can care less about the stupid rail. I still don't think it'll get finished. I can also care less if anyone pays for it.
My broader point was lost - the outer island life as it exists today would be 3rd world like many Pacific Islands - some of you should try to visit some of the other Pacific Islands- it's appalling on many the conditions many live. But to even entertain the outer islands (maybe exception Maui) could exist without Oahu is absurd. I do like the analogy posted above - here is $100, can I have $5 back (or less). I don't have a say on projects on the BI but I pay for them.
About to leave SFO to get back to HNL to work and subsidize the BI. (A joke - not really - kinda true though)
I really do not think any of it is that uncommon. Other states may all be land mass intact, but some areas generate more income than others, and it is the state's responsibility to administer to the whole state, not the more affluent areas alone.
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"That's one of the funniest things you have ever written - and you write some funny things. Let me net it out, that is incorrect."
How is that "incorrect" ? Was the port of HNL "lying" when they announced that HNL was past international capacity and future flights would be diverted to KOA ?
I couldn't find the exact quote on a quick google search, but these links are useful:
"“So clearly, Kona Airport being able to accept international flights really expands the capacity of the state of Hawaii to receive international visitors,” Ige said."
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