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Old 10-19-2017, 06:12 PM
 
Location: Southernmost tip of the southernmost island in the southernmost state
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Aloha still flies cargo, just not people
Ironic, Southwest flies people like cargo.....
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Old 10-19-2017, 08:19 PM
 
Location: Honolulu
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Ironic, Southwest flies people like cargo.....
Heh. I think that can be said of many airlines. Unless one is lucky enough to not have to be shuffled into the cattle class and gets to sit near the front of the plane.....
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Old 10-20-2017, 08:06 AM
 
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I like southwest customer service and attitude but their planes are painful for anything longer than a few hours. Nice to have option for biz or first class when on vacation.
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Old 10-20-2017, 05:37 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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Heh. I think that can be said of many airlines. Unless one is lucky enough to not have to be shuffled into the cattle class and gets to sit near the front of the plane.....
another term for passengers is "self-loading cargo" in the airline industry.
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Old 10-20-2017, 07:43 PM
 
Location: Honolulu
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another term for passengers is "self-loading cargo" in the airline industry.
LOL....dang....
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Old 10-20-2017, 10:56 PM
 
Location: Austin/Hawaii
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Heh. I think that can be said of many airlines. Unless one is lucky enough to not have to be shuffled into the cattle class and gets to sit near the front of the plane.....
Very true. Although non-us airlines (like Eva or Cathay) tend to provide better experiences...

I'll admit I'm looking forward to the opportunity of traveling back and forth from mainland/to Hawaii via SW, likely cheaper (at least cancelable). Not a fan of the every-man-for-himself seating, but the flight crew are often entertaining. More options are a good thing...
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Old 10-21-2017, 05:27 PM
 
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On the flip side, Aloha is out of business.
I know that Aloha is no longer in the business, but I listed those airports as they were considered within range of B737 in the year 2000.
  1. OAK 2,409 mi
  2. SMF 2,463 mi
  3. BUR 2,562 mi ~ no longer flown by anyone
  4. RNO 2,573 mi ~ no longer flown by anyone
  5. SNA 2,584 mi ~ no longer flown by anyone
  6. SAN 2,614 mi
  7. LAS 2,763 mi
  8. PHX 2,918 mi

In the years since 2000 the following mainland airports have been added by any type of aircraft (less than 4000 miles)
  1. SFO 2,399 mi
  2. SJC 2,417 mi
  3. PDX 2,603 mi
  4. SEA 2,678 mi
  5. SLC 2,994 mi
  6. DEN 3,365 mi
  7. DFW 3,785 mi
  8. IAH 3,904 mi
  9. MSP 3,972 mi

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Las Vegas
Hawaiian Airlines Las Vegas
Allegiant Air Las Vegas
Boyd Vacations Hawaii Charter: Las Vegas
Delta Air Lines Seasonal: Las Vegas (begins December 21, 2017)

Less than 4000 miles from HNL
Hawaiian Airlines Los Angeles, San Francisco, Sacramento, San Diego, San Jose (CA),
American Airlines Los Angeles, Dallas/Fort Worth, Phoenix–Sky Harbor
Delta Air Lines Los Angeles, Minneapolis/St. Paul, Salt Lake City, Seattle/Tacoma Seasonal: San Francisco, Portland (OR)
United Airlines Los Angeles, San Francisco, Denver, Houston–Intercontinental,
Virgin America Los Angeles, San Francisco
Hawaiian Airlines Seattle/Tacoma, Oakland, Phoenix–Sky Harbor, Portland (OR),
Alaska Airlines Anchorage, Oakland, Portland (OR), San Diego, San Jose (CA), Seattle/Tacoma
So the question is will Southwest forge new routes or will they try to take over existing business. While Hawaii - Vegas is a very popular route, it seems unlikely that Southwest will form partnership with casinos.

LAX is already well covered by five airlines already.

Potential new routes could be DAL (if not too far), ABQ, TUS or LGB.
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Old 10-23-2017, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Honolulu
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Very true. Although non-us airlines (like Eva or Cathay) tend to provide better experiences...

I'll admit I'm looking forward to the opportunity of traveling back and forth from mainland/to Hawaii via SW, likely cheaper (at least cancelable). Not a fan of the every-man-for-himself seating, but the flight crew are often entertaining. More options are a good thing...
Yup, more competition is always good I feel like.

Wow, didn't even know Eva did passenger travel....I had thought they were a cargo airline....
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Old 10-23-2017, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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Yup, more competition is always good I feel like.

Wow, didn't even know Eva did passenger travel....I had thought they were a cargo airline....
Well EVA Air's parent was and is the Evergreen Group - which is maritime shipping. Of course they do a lot of cargo business given that Taiwan is an export based economy.

Other analogies -

HK's Cathay Pacific - part of the Swire Group - also had a shipping/cargo/transportation heritage, but now does a lot of property development

Korean Air - owned by the Hanjin Group
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Old 10-23-2017, 04:11 PM
 
Location: Honolulu
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Well EVA Air's parent was and is the Evergreen Group - which is maritime shipping. Of course they do a lot of cargo business given that Taiwan is an export based economy.

Other analogies -

HK's Cathay Pacific - part of the Swire Group - also had a shipping/cargo/transportation heritage, but now does a lot of property development

Korean Air - owned by the Hanjin Group


The more you know. Thanks for the info. And makes sense as many of these companies are parts of larger conglomerates that also do other business as well.
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