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"Company officials plan to announce specific routes at a later date, but did reveal that they will begin on the West Coast, with the first flights from California. Inter-island flights are also a possibility."
After having to recently pay Hawaiian their rip off $200 domestic change flight fees for 5 of our staff ($1,000 in fees total) due to a change of work schedule, this is welcome news. Will also be great to be able to check in two bags for free. The best news is Hawaiian will be finally forced to lower their prices and change their policies.
Hawaiian
Ticketing Fees
Non-refundable ticket change fee: $30-$200
Reservation by phone fee: $15-$35
Unaccompanied minor fee: $35-$100
Baggage Fees
Carry on bag: Free (but officially a 25-pound weight limit)
First checked bag: $17-$25 (free to some international destinations)
Second checked bag: $17-$35 (free to some international destinations)
Additional bags fee: $25 inter-island, $100 otherwise. (May be higher to some international destinations).
Overweight bags: $25-$200
Oversize bags: $25-$100 (higher for some international destinations)
In-cabin pet fee: $35-$225
Frequent Flier Fees
"Last minute" ticketing: $0
In phone/in person ticketing: $15-$35
Date/itinerary change: $30-$50
Redeposit Miles: $30-$150
Other Fees
Seat Selection Fee: "Preferred Seats" $35-$75 per flight.
Priority Boarding Fee: not offered.
Name Change Fee: Free for Coach Plus Fares
Southwest
Ticketing Fees
Non-refundable ticket change fee: Free
Same day change fee: None but any fare difference will apply
Reservation by phone fee: Free
Unaccompanied minor fee: $50
Baggage Fees
Carry on bag: Free
First checked bag: Free
Second checked bag: Free
Additional bags fee: $50 each for 3-9 bags; $110 each for more
Overweight bags: $75
Oversize bags: $75
In-cabin pet fee: $75
Frequent Flier Fees
"Last minute" ticketing: $0
In phone/in person ticketing: $0
Date/itinerary change: $0 (but any fare difference will apply)
Redeposit Miles: $ 0
Same day change fee: Depends on type of award and possible point difference
Other Fees
Seat Selection Fee: None
Priority Boarding Fee: Early Bird check-in $12.50; "Upgraded boarding" $40
Name Change Fee: Not offered.
SW = free
HA = we paid somewhere around $35 (x2) each way (x2). About $140.
We almost didn't bring them because of the charge, but glad we did. If SW was in the game when we went you could be damn sure we would have went with them. Even if, although unlikely, their fares are the same or a tad higher, the lower or total lack of fees will make up for it.
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I prefer to fly Hawai'ian over SWA's cattle cars, but I'm sitting on almost 1 million SWA miles, so I've sort of been hoping they'd enter the Hawai'i market.
It's been awhile since we have had airfare wars, be nice to be able to afford to fly around more.
Last time it was between Hawaiian and Aloha and Hawaiian had just upgraded all their planes and beat down the wages for their staff so they survived the air fare wars and Aloha's passenger service stopped. Aloha survived as a cargo airline.
There was Mahalo Air for awhile, but they're gone. And those other odd one who never really got to use the main part of the airports but had better rates. ATA, wasn't it? They just went *poof* gone in the middle of Merrie Monarch and left a lot of folks stranded all over the place. Hopefully after this airline war, there won't be a bunch of folks stranded again.
I wouldn't count on airfare going lower - and the flights are probably a year away. Want lower airfare? Gas needs to go lower and the economy tanks.
Not counting on airfare dropping. I have no issues with that. It's the nickel and dime you to death fees that set SW and Hawaiian apart. Last checked SW and Hawaiian pay similar costs for fuel.
Last checked SW and Hawaiian pay similar costs for fuel.
Airlines don't pay pump prices - they often have wide variances between each other. They place almost casino like bets on fuel hedging - sometimes they lose badly, it is why the Hawaiian CFO lost his job a few years ago.
So, point is - I wouldn't assume they pay the same for fuel.
There is an interesting (at least to me) history between these organizations - on the one hand, Hawaiian poached to Southwest CFO several years back (the one who got fired) whose main job was fuel hedging - Southwest a few years ago poached the Hawaiian person in charge of revenue management (the team that determines what you pay for a ticket) which to me was just as much of a sign they would enter Hawaii
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