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Deaths are reported to be in in decline because of discoveries in clinical treatments within the hospital settings. You learn as you treat patients.
Natural herd immunity? That would propbably require 60-70% of the entire population of the US to become infected. Approximately 225 million people. Even then, nobody knows for sure if once you are infected with Covid19 you cannot acquire it again, and so the notion 'herd immunity', is a still a an unknown.
Ever thought what the US economy and ability to provide medical services would look like if 225 million people were infected with Covid 19 within a relatively short span of time?
In the short term and IMO, our best bet, is a theraputic treatment that will substantially reduce the symptoms of the infection. Again IMO, a safe, workable vaccine that has a modest amount of success (vaccine 1.0) is sometime off in the future.
You have a lot of what if’s. Herd immunity doesn’t necessarily require 60-70% to be infected. Half the population doesn’t even take the flu shot and most times at most it’s 45% effective. Treatments and therapeutics have been working well in people recovering. No one is debating against that. Hydroxychloroquin has been one of those great treatments. What is important is though cases are increasing, deaths are going down.
What if 225 million people were infected with COVID? We would never know because 225 million aren’t going to get infected in the United States.
You have a lot of what if’s. Herd immunity doesn’t necessarily require 60-70% to be infected. Half the population doesn’t even take the flu shot and most times at most it’s 45% effective. Treatments and therapeutics have been working well in people recovering. No one is debating against that. Hydroxychloroquin has been one of those great treatments. What is important is though cases are increasing, deaths are going down.
What if 225 million people were infected with COVID? We would never know because 225 million aren’t going to get infected in the United States.
National Institutes of Health; FDA; WHO; New England Journal of Medicine; and many others, have all declared Hydroxychloroquine to be useless against Covid-19 after rigorous clinical trials.(Google it!) Getting your health information from Trump's Tweets is less than optimal.
Herd Immunity may never occur. (It certainly hasn't with Influenza or common colds.) As time passes with no evidence of it anywhere in the world, many epidemiologists now believe it is unlikely.
Suppression of a person's immune system during Covid-19 sounds counterintuitive but appears to lessen the damaging effects and improves one's chances of recovery.
At this point it is still a crapshoot. I personally hope to avoid it as long as possible as time allows for new information about best practices in treatment.
National Institutes of Health; FDA; WHO; New England Journal of Medicine; and many others, have all declared Hydroxychloroquine to be useless against Covid-19 after rigorous clinical trials.(Google it!) Getting your health information from Trump's Tweets is less than optimal.
Herd Immunity may never occur. (It certainly hasn't with Influenza or common colds.) As time passes with no evidence of it anywhere in the world, many epidemiologists now believe it is unlikely.
Suppression of a person's immune system during Covid-19 sounds counterintuitive but appears to lessen the damaging effects and improves one's chances of recovery.
At this point it is still a crapshoot. I personally hope to avoid it as long as possible as time allows for new information about best practices in treatment.
The Lancet, one of the world’s top medical journals, on Thursday retracted an influential study that raised alarms about the safety of the experimental Covid-19 treatments chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine amid scrutiny of the data underlying the paper.
Just over an hour later, the New England Journal of Medicine retracted a separate study, focused on blood pressure medications in Covid-19, that relied on data from the same company.
Some seemed to have been so eager to disprove Trump on hydroxychloroquine that they rushed to push out phony studies that wouldn't stand up under scrutiny, which is a shame. Of course, by then some of the damage would have already been done as studies on hydroxychloroquine were canceled (some have been restarted since these retractions, thankfully).
“Our analysis shows that using hydroxychloroquine helped saves lives,” said Steven Kalkanis, CEO, Henry Ford Medical Group and Senior Vice President and Chief Academic Officer of Henry Ford Health System. “As doctors and scientists, we look to the data for insight. And the data here is clear that there was benefit to using the drug as a treatment for sick, hospitalized patients.”
The study analyzed 2,541 patients hospitalized between the system’s six hospital between March 10 and May 2. The study found 13% of the patients treated with hydroxychloroquine died while 26.4% of the patients who did not receive the drug died.
Patients treated with hydroxychloroquine at Henry Ford met specific protocol criteria as outlined by the hospital system’s Division of Infectious Diseases. The vast majority received the drug soon after admission; 82% within 24 hours and 91% within 48 hours of admission. All patients in the study were 18 or over with a median age of 64 years; 51% were men and 56% African American.
And then there's the large, ongoing study in India that is showing promise also, as well as the other smaller scale clinical success stories that have been discussed in this forum.
Me thinks you'd be best off not listening to the likes of CNN
And then there's the large, ongoing study in India that is showing promise also, as well as the other smaller scale clinical success stories that have been discussed in this forum.
Me thinks you'd best off not listening to the likes of CNN
Even CNN has had to admit hudroxychloroquin has helped Coronavirus patients.
National Institutes of Health; FDA; WHO; New England Journal of Medicine; and many others, have all declared Hydroxychloroquine to be useless against Covid-19 after rigorous clinical trials.(Google it!) Getting your health information from Trump's Tweets is less than optimal.
Herd Immunity may never occur. (It certainly hasn't with Influenza or common colds.) As time passes with no evidence of it anywhere in the world, many epidemiologists now believe it is unlikely.
Suppression of a person's immune system during Covid-19 sounds counterintuitive but appears to lessen the damaging effects and improves one's chances of recovery.
At this point it is still a crapshoot. I personally hope to avoid it as long as possible as time allows for new information about best practices in treatment.
I googled it and I found that even CNN had to admit it works. If you are worried I suggest #stayhome #staysafe #wearamask
Are you referring to those studies that have been retracted
More recent, lengthy studies are showing the opposite. See, for instance this Henry Ford Medical Group study: https://detroit.cbslocal.com/2020/07...19-death-rate/
And then there's the large, ongoing study in India that is showing promise also, as well as the other smaller scale clinical success stories that have been discussed in this forum.
I sincerely hope that it does help. Every treatment that is successful is a plus!
Even CNN has had to admit hudroxychloroquin has helped Coronavirus patients.
It remains an unknown. The current controversy occurred because data claimed initially by one major study couldn’t be confirmed. So study had to be cancelled and reporting retracted.
This is NOT the same as proof of efficacy.
Holy moly folks with a shovel like to dig holes and trench in. Especially a bunch of amateur, anonymous, armchair speculators with no particular expertise in any related fields. Give it a rest and let the research run its course. Yes, it takes time ... and yes, time is of the essence and working a cruel cost.
But honesty and truth are the final arbiters - and illuminators.
It remains an unknown. The current controversy occurred because data claimed initially by one major study couldn’t be confirmed. So study had to be cancelled and reporting retracted.
This is NOT the same as proof of efficacy.
Holy moly folks with a shovel like to dig holes and trench in. Especially a bunch of amateur, anonymous, armchair speculators with no particular expertise in any related fields. Give it a rest and let the research run its course. Yes, it takes time ... and yes, time is of the essence and working a cruel cost.
But honesty and truth are the final arbiters - and illuminators.
This study says otherwise and is evidence that hydroxychloroquin is proving to be a successful treatment against covid. Whether or not you might not like the desired outcome in fear of punching a hole in your worldview, we have to follow where the the evidence takes us. It would be irrational not to. It takes courage to follow where the evidence may lead us.
This study says otherwise and is evidence that hydroxychloroquin is proving to be a successful treatment against covid. Whether or not you might not like the desired outcome in fear of punching a hole in your worldview, we have to follow where the the evidence takes us. It would be irrational not to. It takes courage to follow where the evidence may lead us.
Sorry. Lmfao. One study supporting YOUR worldview, among several in process and previous research casting shade on it, also doesn’t provide any finality in favor. As the other poster just said: I hope it proves to be valuable.
But, as with everything you’ve campaigned for months on this topic:
You. Just. Don’t. Know.
This study says otherwise and is evidence that hydroxychloroquin is proving to be a successful treatment against covid. Whether or not you might not like the desired outcome in fear of punching a hole in your worldview, we have to follow where the the evidence takes us. It would be irrational not to. It takes courage to follow where the evidence may lead us.
This is an issue that affects every person on earth. Why try to make the efficacy of a Covid-19 treatment "for or against" Trump?
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