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Old 01-31-2018, 09:12 AM
 
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New study shows that those who receive flu vaccines are more likely to spread the flu than those who are unvaccinated. Authors conclude that with additional confirmation, this could impact vaccination policies.

Infectious virus in exhaled breath of symptomatic seasonal influenza cases from a college community
Jing Yan, Michael Grantham, Jovan Pantelic, P. Jacob Bueno de Mesquita, Barbara Albert, Fengjie Liu, Sheryl Ehrman, Donald K. Milton and EMIT Consortium
PNAS 2018; published ahead of print January 18, 2018, https://doi.org/10.1073/pnas.1716561115

Infectious virus in exhaled breath of symptomatic seasonal influenza cases from a college community | Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences


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Self-reported vaccination for the current season was associated with a trend (P < 0.10) toward higher viral shedding in fine-aerosol samples; vaccination with both the current and previous year’s seasonal vaccines, however, was significantly associated with greater fine-aerosol shedding in unadjusted and adjusted models (P < 0.01).

In adjusted models, we observed 6.3 (95% CI 1.9–21.5) times more aerosol shedding among cases with vaccination in the current and previous season compared with having no vaccination in those two seasons
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Old 01-31-2018, 10:39 AM
 
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Thanks for the link!

I'm going to have to read it about another 15 times because there is a lot of information there; BMI, gender, vaccination status, age ... wow.
 
Old 01-31-2018, 10:44 AM
 
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Thanks for the link!

I'm going to have to read it about another 15 times because there is a lot of information there; BMI, gender, vaccination status, age ... wow.
This study could be a game changer ... if anyone pays attention to it. More likely it will get swept under the rug.

Very compelling data.
 
Old 01-31-2018, 11:39 AM
 
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REMEMBER: Discuss the topic. If this turns into whether or not to vaccinate, it's closed.
No vaccine arguments are allowed here. They are allowed on Politics & Other Controversies.
 
Old 01-31-2018, 11:56 AM
 
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This study could be a game changer ... if anyone pays attention to it. More likely it will get swept under the rug.

Very compelling data.
What will it compel us to do?
 
Old 01-31-2018, 12:02 PM
 
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What will it compel us to do?
Did you read the article? It found that those who were vaccinated spread the flu, and those who vaccinated for at least two years in a row spread the flu 6.3 times the rate of people who weren't vaccinated.

Those are stunning and very compelling statistics as to who is actually spreading the flu and why. Maybe it explains how the vaccinated are getting sick. They are infecting and reinfected each other on some level.

Think of the low efficacy of the flu shot. Now all these people are all around each other spreading the disease at 6.3 times = 630% MORE than people who never were vaccinated.

It's an incredible statistic regarding the safety of this vaccination. It shows that this vaccination could in fact HARM others by making them sick at a higher rate than wild disease.

We cannot argue what to do in this forum. But I think the implications are pretty clear.
 
Old 01-31-2018, 03:11 PM
 
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New study shows that those who receive flu vaccines are more likely to spread the flu than those who are unvaccinated
I agree 1000%!!! (I wont say anymore on this thread as this really isnt the place for heavy debating as in_newengland said)
 
Old 01-31-2018, 04:30 PM
 
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Originally Posted by newtovenice View Post
Did you read the article? It found that those who were vaccinated spread the flu, and those who vaccinated for at least two years in a row spread the flu 6.3 times the rate of people who weren't vaccinated.

Those are stunning and very compelling statistics as to who is actually spreading the flu and why. Maybe it explains how the vaccinated are getting sick. They are infecting and reinfected each other on some level.

Think of the low efficacy of the flu shot. Now all these people are all around each other spreading the disease at 6.3 times = 630% MORE than people who never were vaccinated.

It's an incredible statistic regarding the safety of this vaccination. It shows that this vaccination could in fact HARM others by making them sick at a higher rate than wild disease.

We cannot argue what to do in this forum. But I think the implications are pretty clear.
This is called Shedding from the Vaccines.
 
Old 01-31-2018, 04:55 PM
 
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This study simply found that the flu can be spread by breathing, not just coughing and sneezing. Make sure you understand what you read.
 
Old 01-31-2018, 05:10 PM
 
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This study simply found that the flu can be spread by breathing, not just coughing and sneezing. Make sure you understand what you read.
Asymptomatic Carriers who aren't sick and coughing and sneezing, just breathing the same air. More push to sell Flu Shots.
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