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I can't believe that after this much time we still have to repeat the mask thing.
They don't eliminate the chances, they lower them.
Maybe this will help a bit. This applies to cloth masks. Oh and one more thing, this has nothing to do with Political Parties. It works for both Republicans and Democrats.
Ok,so why not wear goggles to lower the risk?
I think people underestimate contracting the virus through the eyes.
I watched 15 seconds of one video of one casino and saw significant numbers of unmasked people. You said the mask rules are strictly enforced. I have no interest in Vegas even outside of pandemic times; you and your family are of course free to do as you please and take whatever risks you'd like but don't expect the same result as people who are acting more wisely.
And why would I be judgmental about people who help spread the virus? Its not like hundreds of thousand of people are dying from it or anything.
Oh, wait...
I can pretty much assure you, if it was truly Vegas it was shot shot since March. Anyone can do a UTube and we all know that: this doesn't mean it is for real or legit. Yes, they were strictly enforced: she said some were being stopped walking down the sidewalks without their masks.
I think you have misunderstood my point or mentioning Vegas: I was simply pointing out, i appears there are times when even masks do no good and giving an example of what still happens not to mention how careful some places are trying to be. I am certainly not putting down masks by any means..
I think you showed your partiality by saying you are not a Vegas person. That is fine and I am not in love with it anymore either, but it is still a very popular tourist attraction for many, with or without masks. I also explained to you, but guess it went over your head, this was a business trip as she does have a very large and active travel agency and needs to check on vacation spots she gets requests for.
Because masks lower the risk of SOMEONE ELSE getting it from YOU (mainly).
Goggles reduce the chances of YOU getting it FROM someone else. So in terms of data and effectiveness and tracking and all that - you are comparing apples to oranges.
One - very - contagious person with no mask can infect dozens of people in a week or two, who, themselves, will also infect quite a few.
A person without goggles is not infecting anyone. Huge - huge - difference.
Once you accept why we're doing anything at all, then maybe it would all make sense.
We are not trying to prevent every - single - case. Nope. We aren't trying to stop you - singular, you, in particular - from catching COVID. No. We are trying to prevent large numbers of people from simultaneously being infected. On an individual level - not that bigga deal.
So - while goggles may indeed offer additional protection, and while eyeball transmission is almost certainly a vector for some percentage of transmission - there is not really enough data to say it will make a dent in actual real problem - which is - large numbers of people simultaneously infected. Why? Because there is no evidence that large numbers of people catch it through the eyeball. If EVERYONE wore goggles, it's possible the difference would not be mathematically noticeable.
I think people underestimate contracting the virus through the eyes.
Why not stay home and never go out and keep your doors shut forever?
There are limits to what you can do. It's about lowering chances, not completely eliminating them.
IMO, this is not going away, ever. Influenza comes back every year. Slightly different strains but it still there. Maybe eventually it will not be a "novel" virus and people will have some kind of immunity. That would be ideal.
Our only salvation may be a vaccine? Where does that leave the anti-vaccine people? In deep do-do, that's where.
I can pretty much assure you, if it was truly Vegas it was shot shot since March. Anyone can do a UTube and we all know that: this doesn't mean it is for real or legit. Yes, they were strictly enforced: she said some were being stopped walking down the sidewalks without their masks.
I think you have misunderstood my point or mentioning Vegas: I was simply pointing out, i appears there are times when even masks do no good and giving an example of what still happens not to mention how careful some places are trying to be. I am certainly not putting down masks by any means..
I think you showed your partiality by saying you are not a Vegas person. That is fine and I am not in love with it anymore either, but it is still a very popular tourist attraction for many, with or without masks. I also explained to you, but guess it went over your head, this was a business trip as she does have a very large and active travel agency and needs to check on vacation spots she gets requests for.
The video was shot in October. It was posted October 14. The description says it was posted to show what Vegas is like right now. The title of the video is Vegas October 2020....The video shows many people ignoring the mask rules you say are strictly enforces, both inside and out.
The point is, compliance is obviously not that great if you can see 4-5 people ignoring mask rules within 15 seconds of walking into a popular, well-known casino. You are trying to make the point that masks aren't effective in preventing spread, and your argument fails for these reasons.
All those deaths ARE caused by COVID. If you die of complications from AIDs - did you die of pneumonia, or AIDS?
If you die of diabetes, did you die of some insulin shock - or organ failure from years of diabetes?
If you die of a stroke - during surgery for a traumatic injury - was it a stroke ALONE that killed you? No.
And so on.
Stop focusing on the idiosyncrasies of deaths on death certificates are reported - and start accepting that COVID kills, and sometimes, it's easier for COVID to kill you if it has some help - like your obesity. That doesn't mean you died from obesity. Nope. You died of COVID, plain and simple.
If you die from organ failure from diabetes and have tested positive for COVID.. You shouldn't be counted as a COVID death.
There was a story here yesterday where an 80 year old woman with dementia went to the hospital with kidney failure. Tested before she went, negative. Tested at the hospital, positive.. Tested 3 times after she left the hospital.. Negative. Family is trying to get COVID removed from the DC as "Primary cause of death"
It's happened a number of times.
Local news station exposed DHEC as being morons.. Labs were reporting only positive test results. Driving up the 'percent positive" and skewing results used from that.
Not to mention.. They just sat there as they saw counties coming in with a thousand positive tests and ZERO negative tests.. and noone decided to say "Hmm.. Something's not right here". One of two things, if they want to be trusted, should have been done the INSTANT they saw that.
1) Descend on the town and quarantine it. Because a 100% positive test rate means that town needs to be shut down.
2) Said "Gee, this seems wrong" and gone to the lab and said "Hey, you reporting your results right?"
Neither of those things happened.
FURTHER.. How they're counting a "COVID" Death is.. "If the person tested positive.. They are counted as a COVID death"
Now.. All this being said. Likely.. At least HERE.. Since we didn't get the first case until later than many places.. I'd say our counts are probably pretty accurate but starting to go the wrong way. After all, there's people who died at the start where it wasn't recognized.
I completely and totally disagree with your "Accept the numbers the government tells you, even though you know they're wrong, they need to lie to scare people" theory.
You want people to accept numbers and follow recommendations? Don't fudge the numbers. We've been lied to regarding the numbers and there's no undoing it.. Can't blame people for now not believing what they're being told about masks. The root of the problem is.. They tried to scare people, they got caught, and are getting ass burned.
Me? I'm vaccinated. **** all of you! lol. Well, since I can't tell if I got the vaccine or saline.. Still makes sense to be smart about it.
One other thing I'll mention here.. There are times where it's just REALLY hard to tell.. Someone has pneumonia.. Then contracts COVID. Which killed them? Things like that.. I can accept that you're going to have those situations and yes, those should go in the counts. Guy has COVID and shoots himself in the head.. No, that's not a COVID death.
Final source.. Damn.. This one was difficult to find
The video was shot in October. It was posted October 14. The description says it was posted to show what Vegas is like right now. The title of the video is Vegas October 2020....The video shows many people ignoring the mask rules you say are strictly enforces, both inside and out.
The point is, compliance is obviously not that great if you can see 4-5 people ignoring mask rules within 15 seconds of walking into a popular, well-known casino. You are trying to make the point that masks aren't effective in preventing spread, and your argument fails for these reasons.
Let's just drop the nonsense? I am aware of when it was shot: I am also aware of what my daughter had to say and yes, she was at Flamingo a couple of times as they were staying at Cesars Palace. I am not trying to make a point at all: I said in my comment to you, I am simply saying I thought this was very interesting. Anyone can put a date on a video and others will believe it. We see this in politics all the time. You continue to tell me what I am saying; I will continue to believe what I want and I see no reason to debate the topic any longer.
Why not stay home and never go out and keep your doors shut forever?
There are limits to what you can do. It's about lowering chances, not completely eliminating them.
IMO, this is not going away, ever. Influenza comes back every year. Slightly different strains but it still there. Maybe eventually it will not be a "novel" virus and people will have some kind of immunity. That would be ideal.
Our only salvation may be a vaccine? Where does that leave the anti-vaccine people? In deep do-do, that's where.
I think that COVID will eventually become like the flu and won't be nearly as "novel" or scary. If you are vaccinated against it, even if you happen to get it, you will have some level of immunity against it and the impact of it will not be nearly as bad. Couple a weaker virus with the fact that hundreds of different medications are currently being tested, so there will likely be a combination of meds to throw at it. And if a majority of the population is vaccinated against it, while it will still likely linger around, it won't be nearly as prevalent. So while it will likely always "be around," it's not likely to be very impactful. People who aren't vaccinated will unfortunately get sick, although even their deaths will be more rare since hospitals will have capacity. Although, long-term impacts could be a problem.
Why not stay home and never go out and keep your doors shut forever?
There are limits to what you can do. It's about lowering chances, not completely eliminating them.
IMO, this is not going away, ever. Influenza comes back every year. Slightly different strains but it still there. Maybe eventually it will not be a "novel" virus and people will have some kind of immunity. That would be ideal.
Our only salvation may be a vaccine? Where does that leave the anti-vaccine people? In deep do-do, that's where.
Let's hope you are right. I would guess you are heading in the right direction. Either we will get the vaccine or we will all learn to live with COVUD or some similar strain as we have in the past.
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